AnYone deal with this coin dealer......

ss350camaro

(edited out i.d. to end the mud slinging)

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Opinions? Problems?

Thanks

(thanks for the spelling wake up)

coinlieutenant

I think Doug meant ANYONE...

ss350camaro

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Trooper

Doug
I haven't bought from him but a couple of his auctions have caught my eye in the past. His feedbacks are pretty good if you ask me for the numbers he has. Plenty of "quick shipping" comments are always nice to see...no mention of returns, but you might want to email and ask..

Tom

Russ

I bought some "unopened" proof sets ages ago. They were repacks.

Russ, NCNE

ss350camaro

<< <i>I bought some "unopened" proof sets ages ago. They were repacks. >>



Hence the reason for my question. This guy swears up and down all his sets are sealed straight from the mint.

I questioned him about it and he was very rude and insulting.

I know i'm not that knowledgable about some things, and that's why i ask questions, but why get so "wierd" about it when someone asks about it? I suspect he knows full well they're re-sealed.

Coins101

<< <i>I bought some "unopened" proof sets ages ago. They were repacks >>



Russ, hoow can you tell they were repacks? Any advice or clues would be appreciated.

Bikingnut

If he was rude and insulting when you ask a simple question about your possible purchase, I would stay away.

Bear

That type of sensitivity about a straight foward question

is usually a sign of a guilty concience.

Russ

Doug,

He may actually believe they are sealed from the mint. But, unless he bought them himself directly from the mint or in unopened shipping boxes, he has no way of knowing that one way or the other. I think a lot of dealers get hoodwinked just like collectors do.

Russ, NCNE

nederveit

Russ, how does one determine a repack from an original?

I don't know this seller, but I have returned some "unopened" sets in the past. My only clue at that time was that the envelopes were too new to be true. Later I discovered you can buy envelopes, and then repack coins.

Russ

nederveit,

The newness of the envelope is one clue. Original 40 year olds will have a "patina" about them and the outer edge creases will be somewhat rounded, not crisp like a fresh envelope. Another is the font used in the printing. Reprints rarely match it correctly. BUT, besides modern reprints, there are plenty of original envelopes available because the GSA sold off a bunch of surplus stuff.

Another telltale sign is how the flap is sealed. If it's been wetted and sealed all the way out to the edges, it's likely been repacked. The original mint sealed ones, (and, not all were actually sealed at the mint), will usually be glued down only in about the center third or so. Even that is not always reliable, though. If the sets were stored in a moist environment, the flap could seal all the way out by itself.

Bottom line is that the majority of what is listed on eBay as "mint sealed" has been checked at some time in the past. The only sure way is to buy unopened shipping boxes.

Russ, NCNE

TayTay

<< <i>I questioned him about it and he was very rude and insulting >>



This would do it for me. I pass.

nederveit

Thanks for the detailed description Russ, really appreciate your time.

Still learning here....

dollardude

I bought a slabbed coin from him once. He was very nice and professional with me, and I was very pleased with the coin, which was promptly shipped. I would buy from him again.

BTW, thanks, Russ, for that lesson in proof sets. I didn't know that.

WaterSport

Russ good Info, and while we have taken this question of a dealers reputation a tad far, lets continue with any advice on "unopenned rolls". Does anyone have experience here? This often promoted line makes me think they do the same with "shotgun" rolls" and are able to reseal them. And maybe even go to the trouble of getting a whole new wrapper printed. This of course would probably be easy to do in this day an age. What some people will do for money I guess.

WS

ss350camaro

Sorry for dragging this guys rep thru the mud here .............. Wasn't originally intended to be that way but just got a little out of hand.
It's easy to ask for info and help and then join in on the "bashing session".

He's probably had his share of good deals too. In my opinion, from the new info i've read and learned here, i wouldn't buy any "sealed" mint sets from him tho. Too risky.

Watersports question about "unopened rolls".

I see quite a few sales advertising and auctions for these. I have learned over the years that they can be carefully opened, picked thru, and re-sealed. In my opinion, and from my experience, an original roll will have tight roll-overs on BOTH ends. On searched rolls one end will usually always look tight but the other end will have some inconsistencies in the roll-over. Generally there will be an edge or corner of the paper that not quite tucked in all the way that will give it away as a searched roll. Quite a few original rolls will also have circular scratching on the coins on BOTH ends aprox 3/16" to 1/4" in from the rolling machine.

Sellers that spout "original bank wrapped" on a roll that has folded ends? I think it's pretty obvious on that one

I've even seen statements of "original bank rolls" where the picture shows an obviously new wrapper with older coins in it. A seller has simply had the coins rolled at a local bank (some still have coin rollers in-house) and can therefore state it's an "original bank roll". Pretty sneaky but in effect it's true. (Sadly) These sales are definately geared towards "newbies" who don't yet have any good experience.

WaterSport

Thanks Doug... I will keep my rolls and open them myself in 20 years!

WS