Nice price for a commmon 1961 PSA 9
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Rob,
Not winning that card may be a blessing in disguise.I would think that there are a few more out there that will eventually surface.That is big bucks for a semi-star card.
Vic
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
Hopefully you will snag the next one....
We're talking rarity here, folks. Vintage superstar cards are not now -- or ever -- going to be as rare as certain vintage common cards, especially when we're talking high grade and decent centering. We all know the reasons for this ... Poor cutting of sheets with certain cards inherently off center ... Topps purposely destroying certain cards to shorten supply to get kids to keep buying packs looking for all the players on their favorite team ... Kids tossing cards of the lesser known players into the garbage (or clothespinning them to their bicycle spokes) while keeping the stars and superstars.
During the heavy investment period of the 90's, what was getting searched out and graded? Star and superstar cards, of course. Then the PSA Set Registry came along, and suddenly vintage commons started to come into vogue. The problem? The supply of them is nowhere near what the supply of star and superstar cards is. And it never will be because most of those cards are long gone to garbage cans across America. Factor in that inherent poor centering of some cards and you have a truly rare commodity in something like the card being discussed here.
The price paid for it certainly does reflect "eye of the beholder" in terms of HOW HIGH it ends up being. But nobody should be surprised when certain vintage common cards fetch more than a superstar card in the same condition for the same year. And in the future, I predict those prices will go even higher. Why? Because as more and more of the high grade "low pop" commons do come out, most will find their way into PSA Registered Sets. Those that think a ton of these vintage, high-grade, well-centered, low pop commons will just come flying out of the clouds are kidding themselves. They may come, but it will be a trickle, not an avalanche. And besides, if the PSA Set Registry continues to gain in popularity (and given its brief history, there's no reason to think it won't), there will continue to be more and more competition for them when they DO come out.
Scott
<< <i>DCICEMAN said it best. And with about 750 fewer words.
Hey toppsgun -- Do you ever have anything of value to add to a thread? All I ever see is rude comments. Are you actually Michael Wentz in disguise? Or maybe a Michael Wentz wannabe? Nah, Wentz at least has the class to not post anonymously.
Scott
Scott-
That card is not "well-centered" for a PSA 9.
John
That's better, but one-liners are just that.
Your pal,
TG
<< <i>Wentz at least has the class to not post anonymously.
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Surely you are joking. Wentz has multiple IDs for hobby forum just like he has multiple IDs for ebay. Have you not read the other post about additional IDs for shilling his own auctions?
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We're talking rarity here, folks. Vintage superstar cards are not now -- or ever -- going to be as rare as certain vintage common cards, especially when we're talking high grade and decent centering. We all know the reasons for this ... Poor cutting of sheets with certain cards inherently off center ... Topps purposely destroying certain cards to shorten supply to get kids to keep buying packs looking for all the players on their favorite team ... Kids tossing cards of the lesser known players into the garbage (or clothespinning them to their bicycle spokes) while keeping the stars and superstars.
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I guess you don't subscribe to the Mantle theory where the quantity of each card in a 1960s set is equivalent to the number of Mantle cards that are in existence. While PSA population reports show that the Mantle card was slabbed hundreds of times because of his stature in this hobby, collectors and dealers in the past refrained from submitting lesser players. Now that commons are once again in vogue, dealers and collectors are submitting all their nice low population commons to PSA. Eventually the populations will increase dramatically. As populations for the once low population cards increase, the prices realized will fall accordingly. Those who purchase the low populations early will come to regret their decisions (of course unless money is no object).
$1800 is a lot of money for that card.
Don't be too hard on Scotty. He's stuck in a 1969 time warp.
"Collector and Part Time Dealer Since 1969" What he forgot to tell us is that he took 20 years off and is still trying to play catch up. If he posted more succinct comments, he'd have more time to figure out what you explain so well (which is what I posted not too long ago).
However, the PSA 8 Terry goes for about $400 to $600 if it ever shows up. It is a low pop (15) 8, and only 1 PSA 9. I would have like to have had it for $1000 to $1200. Of course, even that is ridiculous, but is comparable with prices of other high demand pop 1 or 2 PSA 9's from the set. By bidding what I did, I figured if Primeeagle didn't show up, I would get it for about that, and if he did, I wouldn't get it at all, as I never outbid him.
I wonder how high his bid was?
Every so often, he goes on vacation, or runs out of money for a while, and then I am able to grab some cards that I need.
And we all have too much spare cash, or an addiction that can't be satisfied. Why else would we spend even $25 on a half penny kid's card?? And argue endlessly about whether or not it has been doctored.
I only wish you and Duke collected the same set with competing GPA's. That would sell tickets. There used to be some knock-down, drag-outs on the 1963 Registry between 3 or 4 people, but I think they've formed some kind of consortium of late.
<< <i>Koby,
Don't be too hard on Scotty. He's stuck in a 1969 time warp.
"Collector and Part Time Dealer Since 1969" What he forgot to tell us is that he took 20 years off and is still trying to play catch up. If he posted more succinct comments, he'd have more time to figure out what you explain so well (which is what I posted not too long ago). >>
More valuable insights. Do you really think people enjoy reading this crap?
Scott
<< <i>Scott-
That card is not "well-centered" for a PSA 9.
John >>
John,
I realize that its not well-centered, but the question really is -- How many are? Any? We really don't know if ANY are, right?
Scott
First you post this:
Just a quick comment -- a lot of the crap in this thread is why I stopped posting here -- and am quickly getting tired of even coming here just to read stuff. And I don't think anybody can accuse ME of being negative toward anything or anybody. Am I the only one? I doubt it.
Then up above you post this:
Hey toppsgun -- Do you ever have anything of value to add to a thread? All I ever see is rude comments. Are you actually Michael Wentz in disguise? Or maybe a Michael Wentz wannabe? Nah, Wentz at least has the class to not post anonymously.
What's up with this? Toppsgun has added a heckuva lot to the discussion around here for a long time. I always get a kick out of folks who talk about how much they hate rude comments as they post a rude comment.
Wayne
Thanks, Wayne. I was beginning to wonder if I'd crossed the line.
<< <i>Scottsusor,
First you post this:
Just a quick comment -- a lot of the crap in this thread is why I stopped posting here -- and am quickly getting tired of even coming here just to read stuff. And I don't think anybody can accuse ME of being negative toward anything or anybody. Am I the only one? I doubt it.
Then up above you post this:
Hey toppsgun -- Do you ever have anything of value to add to a thread? All I ever see is rude comments. Are you actually Michael Wentz in disguise? Or maybe a Michael Wentz wannabe? Nah, Wentz at least has the class to not post anonymously.
What's up with this? Toppsgun has added a heckuva lot to the discussion around here for a long time. I always get a kick out of folks who talk about how much they hate rude comments as they post a rude comment.
Wayne >>
With all due respect, Wayne ...
"Just a quick comment -- a lot of the crap in this thread is why I stopped posting here -- and am quickly getting tired of even coming here just to read stuff. And I don't think anybody can accuse ME of being negative toward anything or anybody. Am I the only one? I doubt it."
... is not a rude comment. It was NOT directed at an individual, as are the childish attacks of toppsgun. Please consider the difference between that and something like this:
"DCICEMAN said it best. And with about 750 fewer words."
That's your boy toppsgun's comment after my post in this thread.
There are plenty of other examples -- and not just with me as his target.
By the way, I thought it was only women who enjoyed dredging up something a guy said 3 weeks ago.
Scott
Sure. it's a rare card-- but does anyone think this is the only PSA 9 floating around out there in the ether? Remember, when a lot of guys sold their childhood collections in the '80's, they only sold off the stars, since at that time the commons weren't worth zilch. I'll bet you donuts to holes there is absolutely no shortage of fine looking commons stowed away in America's shoeboxes and attic footlockers, and when these cards start coming down the pike to PSA the day of reckoning will have come for the mad-asses that currenly spend 1800 bucks on a nice condition common.
Maybe the set registry will keep growing-- and maybe it won't. I really don't know, but I am fairly confident that it won't grow at a rate that will support these kinds of prices if the supply increases. The great variable in all this is whether or not PSA is going to keep refusing to give 9's to worthy examples, or if they'll finally open the floodgates and start calling a mint card a mint card. If they take the latter approach I'd hate to be one of the guys that has 20 grand wrapped up in '65 baseball slabs.
Only time will tell, but my personal feeling is that we haven't even come close to seeing the last of the high-grade sixties baseball commons. I think there are still a ton out there, raw, which doesn't bode well for slab hounds. But, we'll see what happens. If in five years these '1/1's are still fetching mad premiums I'll be the first to step up and say I was wrong.
That's certainly another variable.
<< <i>By the way, I thought it was only women who enjoyed dredging up something a guy said 3 weeks ago. >>
My bad Scott - You would never say anything rude.
Wayne
For those of you who don't know, when I had the opportunity to buy a poorly centered 61 Terry PSA 8, I passed. The seller chided me and so I did a little reasearch. I pulled out every raw 61 Terry I own (about 50) and every...and I mean EVERY card was miscut. So I bought the PSA 8 card and I publicly thank the seller very appreciatively *bowing gracefully*. He knows who he is.
I have said this before and I reiterate...in order to get certain cards well centered, meant that every other card on the sheet was miscut. No ifs, ands or buts about it. Try to find a perfectly centered 1959 Aparicio or a 1969 Lou Brock. Rare as hen's teeth.
With respect to commons, there are a lot of them out there, especially in sets on the East Coast. Problem is how many are 9s????
How many PSA 8s are (in the words of the my "brother" Vince) centered?????? I see certain dealers endlessly searching the commons books for gradeable vintage cards. The majority of them wind up either PSA 7 or get sanded/restored to PSA 8 condition.
Do you believe me now Dr. Buck that cards are being restored??? And they are also doing low pop vintage commons. I told you that restored cards getting by the grading companies will be the downfall to this hobby. And the end to your and my investments.