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MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭
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I just pulled this out of an unopened '86 traded set. IMO the corners are perfect, but I measure the centering to be 62.5/37.5 top to bottom. Side to side looks good, gloss and edges look good. With this centering, could it 9?



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Edited to add: card edges and face look much nicer than the scan; those marks on the left aren't on the card and the edges are not nearly as rough as they look - I have four 8's and this one is much nicer than any of those.
Mark (amerbbcards)


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  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    In my opinion, yes, it could pull a nine.
  • MrRookieMrRookie Posts: 462

    definitely a 9 if those aren't chips on the top and top left edges where it's black
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    In my opinion, that looks like an 8. L to R centering looks off quite a bit (look at the thin border on the left versus the wider right side). Also, when you add in the top to bottom centering being off as well, if those are chips along the top border, this might not even get an 8.
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  • MrRookieMrRookie Posts: 462

    whoops, double post
  • jaybyrdjaybyrd Posts: 377 ✭
    There are nine's on e-bay right now that don't have centering as good as yours.
    Collecting vintage material, currently working on 1962 topps football set.
  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭
    y'all have driven me back to the loupe, and there are 4 chips - two above the "AT" in PIRATES, the other two to the left of the "P". I guess my gem ain't so gem....image
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • TheRoachTheRoach Posts: 483


    << <i>In my opinion, that looks like an 8. L to R centering looks off quite a bit (look at the thin border on the left versus the wider right side). Also, when you add in the top to bottom centering being off as well, if those are chips along the top border, this might not even get an 8. >>



    Hey Soxfan, do you really think the left to right centering is off "quite a bit"? It looks pretty damn good to me. I'd guess 52/48 if that. Just curious. Anyway, my overall grade would definitely be a 8. Even with the chips.

    List it on Ebay raw, and let someone bid it up that may think they could get a 9 out of it. That always works.


    TheRoach



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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Roach, I definitely do not like the L/R centering on this card. Look again at the narrow left border, and the wider right one...maybe saying "quite a bit" was too strong, but I don't see this as 52/48. Certainly less than that. At least we agree on the 8 (maybe), though...

    Those top chips are going to knock it down as well.
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  • AknotAknot Posts: 1,196 ✭✭
    Heres a "trick". Put your mouse cursor over Barry. Right click and hold down and slightly move the mouse. You SHOULD get the "ghostbusters/do not enter symbol". It is round and while holding the mouse button down you can get a better idea of the different width areas around the card by moving the cursor around the card.
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  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    I have seen 9's with slight chipping. I rarely see any 9's that are perfect for this type of card. Show me a 9, and I will show you some chipping. I guess I am too picky. This card looks like all the other 9's I have seen, chips and all.
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  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭
    Here is a 9 that I sold recently. It was graded in March.

    Bonds PSA 9

    Can send you the scan if it would help.

    Keith
  • mercurynutmercurynut Posts: 3,207
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  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
    "if those are chips along the top border, this might not even get an 8.."

    I've seen 10's of this card that have much worse chipping than this example.
  • VincecarderVincecarder Posts: 1,852 ✭


    << <i>I've seen 10's of this card that have much worse chipping than this example. >>



    Let unklbnz or dslsports submit this card and you will get a Gem Mint grade....I would bet you would get an 8 on this card even though I've seen PSA 9's with worse chipping and centering that this one. Best thing to do is submit it with 5-10 of the same card and you'll pull the 9....
    CB4
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Sad but true. I agree with VC. I have seen 9's and 10's with worse chipping...wonder where they came from?
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  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭
    where can you get one of these loupe's?


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



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  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭
    I have heard that a "linen loupe", 10X can be found at a fabric store like Joanne's Fabric (think this is a chain).
    There are some science supply companies that sell them but the fabric store has them for less.
    They come with a removable scale that is good for measuring centering.
    Just found this out recently so haven't bought one yet.

    Keith
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Keith and David
    Link 1:
    Link 2:
    Link 3:
    Here are a few online sources. Link 3, Jakes supplies has a handheld microscope for like 30$ that is 200x I believe - along with a loupe, I think I am going to try it. I will test it out. If I really like it, I will come back and give a report.
    Mike
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    edit: PS, I was over at Hobby Lobby tonite - big company - no loupes - was surprised.
    Mike
  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭
    Bestprice bestprice bestprice: local War Surplus Store, if you have one in your town - right next to the knives and compasses! I paid $12 for mine, and the linen loupe would have been a buck more.
    Mark (amerbbcards)


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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Nice links, Mike. I actually just use a cheap $5 handheld loupe, but I am curious if a "linen loupe" would be any more helpful. Curious to hear your report...
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  • fsjeterfsjeter Posts: 1,390
    Check the yellow pages for the nearest jewelry supply store or ask a jeweler. And by the way, I just got a 1975 Topps #629 Joe Hoerner graded PSA 9 with a green pen mark next to his left arm (check the scan on my registry-F. Scott's 1975 Topps Set). I wonder how that one slipped through?
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    T-205 Gold PSA 4 & up
    1967 Topps BB PSA 8 & up
    1975 Topps BB PSA 9 & up
    1959 Topps FB PSA 8 & up
    1976 Topps FB PSA 9 & up
    1981 Topps FB PSA 10
    1976-77 Topps BK PSA 9 & up
    1988-89 Fleer BK PSA 10
    3,000 Hit Club RC PSA 5 & Up

    My Sets
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    how are you guys measuring side to side centering on this card? at the top , bottom, or side to side around the picture?
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