The reason everyone wouldnt join one website is.....

cardnyou · April 22, 2004 3:39PM

99% of you traders have gotten SO picky and SO hard to trade with, that its almost impossible to trade with anyone. You wanna offer your junk cards for someone's good cards...or trade 5 $20 cards for a $100 card.....you act like your cards are gold and that if someone wants to trade with you, they should feel VERY lucky.Then,you list cards for trade and put " VHT" beside 9 out of 10 of them....if your cards books 50 buks....then you should only ask for 50...not 60-70-80 or more just because its a design you like or you like how neat his auto was.You've gotten greedy as hell and have become a pain in the ass to be frank about it.Now i havent mentiones any names at all, but i'm pretty sure i'll end up with a pm or 2 from the greedy idiot that thinks he crap's gold...and believe me, i sure as hell welcome it,because people like you are ruining the hobby and are to greedy for your own good.If i ask you about a card and the thing books 30,and then you say " but its gonna be hard to get"....rest assured i'm not begging you for it,cuz i will just laugh in your face about it . Thats why everyone would never join one site,because all the ego's and greed could not exist on one board....now...bring on your ridiculous comments.

beasport · April 22, 2004 3:46PM

Its about time someone said something, I agree with you, i hate guys that put on there trade pages there personal collection that they say they won't trade why put the cards on in the first place
good trading
www.beasport.com

cardnyou · April 22, 2004 3:48PM

G-R-E-E-D is why beasport...plain & simple.

Allen · April 22, 2004 4:08PM

I can understand wanting more in trade for an item that is hot but I hate when they have all there decent cards listed as "PC" or "VHTG" I mean if you have stuff you want to show off but not trade then put them on a seperate page. I hate sending PMs back saying yeah you got a lot of stuff I like but none of it is for trade so I wasted a lot of time looking.

cardnyou · April 22, 2004 4:12PM

asking for more bv if the card is hot ?!?!...thats even worse than the HTG bull crap......so what happens when the card cools off ?..." Well the card was selling for double book,so thats what i want in trade"...nah.....trade value is trade value ..... this will get alot more interesting when the eGay lovers come here tomorrow....thats what has ruined the hobby..greedy people seeing that their 20 dollar card is selling for 30,so they ask 30-40 in bv....bunch of idiot's.

Allen · April 22, 2004 4:23PM

Well Beckett is a guide just like a Tuff Stuff is a guide and eBay can be a guide. Even Beckett sites eBay as a source in their magazine. So if someone wants to trade by Tuff Stuff and your card is lower in TS and theirs is higher how can you tell them that their guide is wrong and yours is right? Especially when you look how corupt Beckett is, they make the cards they grade book higher than others. Why? Because they say theirs is better, they are sure to include submission slips in their too.

cardnyou · April 22, 2004 4:29PM

you think eGay aint as corupt as anyone else ?...man you crazy as hell.eGay is alot more corupt than anything else out there.

Allen · April 22, 2004 4:32PM

well then just between Beckett and TuffStuff- If you say eBay is corupt and Beckett uses them as a source then that makes Beckett even less reputable. So now Tuff Stuff is looking way superior, how are you going to tell someone that Beckett is what you should go by? Besides you get one TuffStuff that lists all sports for just $5. Becketts cost a lot more.

cardnyou · April 22, 2004 4:40PM

well if people are trading their cards..they go by tuff stuff because it books it higher than beckett..but if they want your card..they'll use beckett so they can get the lowest possible bv.....nothing you can say or ask is gonna change the way i see things.....alot of other people see it this way as well...there just afriad people will stop trading with or they might get mad at them i dunno....to me i dont care...they can get mad...just proves they we're to dern greedy for me to deal with anyway.

Allen · April 22, 2004 4:59PM

The point is that you can't be too greedy.
--Donald Trump

If there was no greed there would not be much of a hobby. If we all shared like we should you would never get that set finished because you would pull that one common card for someone who collected that player. eBay auctions wouldn't do very well if two bidders didn't go back and forth offering even more money that they offered 5 seconds ago. Then again I guess we are all very greedy spending all this money on cardboard when we all have neighbors in need. What do they really do for us, we look through a box once in a while for our enjoyment, we get them as investments and such. Heck our country is based on greed- we got 50& of our land for a trunk full of beads- I guess wanting something for nothing is in our blood. I guess it depends how ya look at it.

cardnyou · April 22, 2004 5:12PM

you said it right there.... "Wanting something for nothing ".... that was perfect !

Xtrainningscards · April 22, 2004 9:20PM

Cardnyou, your rant has just ruined the validity of the new site, I was considering joining it but no thanks. If you believe Beckett is the Bible and the only way to trade cards, then I will come to you when some no name QB ala Tob Brady is a new starter and his cards are selling for well over BV, cuz the new Beckett Bible hasn't come out yet. Brady was the real deal and yes it happens many times that the player does not pan out, but you have to trade by current market value in many cases, not the outdated BV. If you don't like what you are offered then say no, its not that hard.

MrRookie · April 22, 2004 11:12PM

<< <i>Then,you list cards for trade and put " VHT" beside 9 out of 10 of them....if your cards books 50 buks....then you should only ask for 50...not 60-70-80 or more just because its a design you like or you like how neat his auto was. >>

I don't think cardnyou is talking about that once-in-a-blue-moon card that is selling for over book. He's talking about all the people with $20 bv Kerry Wood jersey cards that sell for $2 and they want $30 in trade because it has a pinstripe or it was the first gu they ever pulled. Can't we go back to the days when people's tradelists listed the cards they had for trade??? Now, everyone's lists have "htg" "vhtg" "vvhtg" "nft" "probably nft" "nft unless it's in my favor" "bv $20+++". What's with all the people where half of their tradelist says NOT FOR TRADE. If it's not for trade don't even put it on the tradelist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One of the worst offenders has to be epag64, that dude's list has "htg" or "nft" or "+++" or asteriks by every card worth more than 50 cents.

duncangal · April 23, 2004 12:16AM

Xtrainningscards- Don't judge our site by what Jamie was saying, lol. That's not fair, we have very good traders on it, and Jamie was just in a bad mood last night, lol....Quasar and I are also on it, so don't judge things by what one person says that was having a bad night, lol.....

cloudorganic · April 23, 2004 12:27AM

So you created a site, no one wants to join, and it's their fault for being greedy? As opposed to your fault for not creating a good anough site? What a dick.

duncangal · April 23, 2004 12:52AM

That is not fair and you are just showing your true colors.....But why bother wasting my time on someone who can't be honest enough to admit who he really is......

cloudorganic · April 23, 2004 1:07AM

duncangal, what other reaction are we supposed to have to cardnyou's statement?

epag64 · April 23, 2004 1:47AM

offenders?! LOL whateva MrPookie or your hidden alias is/was..cards that are marked in my page are ones that require a equal trade player wise..if my tmac has a asterick why would i want a gary payton card that ill be stuck with? HTG means that exactly..if the card i have is HTG and you really collect that player then make a genuine offer that simple, your name will be another added to my "ignore the fool list" which is already full prolly with your old name(s)

Aknot · April 23, 2004 1:52AM

I was with the conversation until all of the VHTG, TRGH, VSD, etc started flying.

What is wrong with "trade 5 $20 cards for a $100 card"? I mean the value is the same is it not? Maybe Im reading it wrong.

Anyho Im putting together my first trade with a board member. Does EVERYONE usually go $ for $? See you are not card TRADING when you do this you are card INVESTING. Unless of course it is of a player/team you like/want/need. Then people should be willing to get it at a loss in value.

I mean (Ive asked this B4) how much do you need to sell/trade a $100 card for when you bought it in a pack for $5, especially if you have no intrerest in that card?

Now me I have been buying lots for the sole purpose of making money/creating a business. Whats everyone else's excuse?

dherm360 · April 23, 2004 1:52AM

I agree with alot what card said, just might not have said it that way.

example
got offered 100 game used cards for a payton/kobe auto /15

was called a dick because the BV is 800 of the gu but I could buy elsewhere for about 100
they told me I was bad for the hobby because I wouldnt trade them MY card.

Hes right in alot that he said--just has to learn tact LOL

Caricon · April 23, 2004 3:29AM

Ok, I have my opinion on a couple of things mentioned on this post.

1. eBay being a guide. I do see Beckett listing some prices of cards that have sold on eBay
in there magazine. But I can't see how eBay can be any type of price guide. Right now as I
type out this message here, I could be missing something on eBay that I would have bought or
would have bid on to make the price higher. And that goes with the millons of other users
that are registered with eBay. They all can't be on at the same time, so they all could be
missing an aution they would have like to bid on and make the price go up. I've places
auctions on eBay myself and got no bids, and the 3rd time on, then I got some bids. You just
have to catch the right time and the right person/people to bid on your auctions.

2. Having a list of cards on the net that isn't for trade: I have my own web site as well,
with all my inserts listed, including all my game used, inserts, and autographed cards. I
actually just started to do my web site over and dumped all my scans since the web space was
starting to take a lot of room. But my site is mostly just for me so I have a list on-line
to know what cards I have. And I do also make a list of my extra cards and place then on my
Sale/Trade page. I can see your point about putting cards on a trade list that people have
no intension on trading away. But I don't see a problem with putting a list on the net of
cards that I have for others to see, even if they aren't for trade or sale.

3. Trading $BV for $BV. Now this is something I agree on. If you have a $100 card, and are
looking to trade it, I would like to receive something around the same price, as in another
$100 card. I wouldn't want to get a stack of someones $5 cards for my $100 card. So, in
trading, I would like book value for book value. Can't see wanting 10X the book value in
trade for something.

Well, hope you all have a good day.

MrRookie · April 23, 2004 3:41AM

agreed, Beckett is not 100% accurate and neither is ebay. Something might sell for $5 on ebay today and the same thing might get $35 tomorrow. Then there are the shilled auctions which sell for more, the people who put poor titles that make the card sell for less, etc. Although Beckett is not 100% it is constant.

cardnyou · April 23, 2004 3:42AM

i do have tact....i'm straight forward with what i say, and to alot of people...they dont like it .

dherm360 · April 23, 2004 4:03AM

<< <i>i do have tact....i'm straight forward with what i say, and to alot of you...you dont like it >>

I just like YOU big fella

cardnyou · April 23, 2004 4:08AM

well ya know i LOVE you dherm

Allen · April 23, 2004 4:10AM

Pat Tillmans were getting $.01 yesterday- Today they are $250+ for cards that book $.25
I have a Fleer Glossy and listed it, then I thought about it for a few minutes and pulled it. I like money but I don't need it that bad to exploit a hero like that. If you sell his cards on eBay, the terrorist have won.

VCKid15 · April 23, 2004 5:26AM

Wow, this site is falling apart. lol

All we ever post in this "Buy, Sell & Trade-Sports Forum" Is complaints, join this new site, and then someone trys to help someone out with something they heard and someone calls it SPAM.

CAN WE ALL JUST TRADE AND GET A LONG?????

OR....................

IS THAT TO MUCH TO ASK FOR??????

cardnyou · April 23, 2004 5:30AM

to much to ask for....everyone wants something for nothing now.

The reason everyone wouldnt join one website is.....

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