Topps Jersey Edition Busted and Reviewed

Johnscottanthony · April 21, 2004 3:34AM

Topps Jersey Edition

Thanks

JSA

MrRookie · April 21, 2004 3:39AM

another juiced box?

Johnscottanthony · April 21, 2004 3:42AM

LOL. Starting to wonder if you are "juiced" a bit yourself.

MrRookie · April 21, 2004 4:04AM

what kind of manloving pm is this:

Is there any reason for your comments you make
on my posts? If so how does it effect you? Do you
loose sleep at night? Does it make you have cold
sweats? Theres got to be some reason for taking
the time to comment in such negative fashion.

JSA

don't flatter yourself, man, guys don't have those effects on me

ljmaya · April 21, 2004 4:18AM

Hi scott great review. I was thinking of picking a few packs myself next week at the store.
Are you going to do a Ultimate Collection BK review soon? I am picking up a pack of that next week and need some of your expert info on that.

Also can you talk on MSN when you get a chance. There is something we need to go over.

Thanks
Lon

edwardluger4 · April 21, 2004 4:26AM

Mr. Rookie is just a complete jackass and finds it worth his time to give other people grief.

duncangal · April 21, 2004 4:28AM

Hey Lon, I wouldn't waste your money. I opened 2 boxes of it, mostly junk that only sells for $1-3 on ebay, lol.....I got one box from my local shop, and one from charmcity. I think that is a better evaluation of the product....

MrRookie · April 21, 2004 4:34AM

<< Hey Lon, I wouldn't waste your money. I opened 2 boxes of it, mostly junk that only sells for $1-3 on ebay, lol.....I got one box from my local shop, and one from charmcity. I think that is a better evaluation of the product....

>>

why whatever do you mean that is a "better evaluation" of the product??? you don't think that just because Topps gives him the boxes for free he might feel compelled to write them a shining review in order to preserve the flow of free wax? that's ridiculous

newman2079 · April 21, 2004 4:35AM

nice break

cloudorganic · April 21, 2004 6:40AM

Is the Pietrus for sale?

goodriddance189 · April 21, 2004 6:42AM

<< 

<< Hey Lon, I wouldn't waste your money. I opened 2 boxes of it, mostly junk that only sells for $1-3 on ebay, lol.....I got one box from my local shop, and one from charmcity. I think that is a better evaluation of the product....

>>

why whatever do you mean that is a "better evaluation" of the product??? you don't think that just because Topps gives him the boxes for free he might feel compelled to write them a shining review in order to preserve the flow of free wax? that's ridiculous >>

he does have a point

Johnscottanthony · April 21, 2004 8:50AM

cloudorganic,
Send me your mailing addy and the card is yours.

For those who took the time to even read the review, the review was quite clear in stating
that this was not a product I felt was up to par with Topps usual high standards. So "again"
free products don't effect the score i give the product, as this review proves.

JSA

euphoria18 · April 21, 2004 8:57AM

Perhaps people should read the actual review before they comment on how genuine the review was.

duncangal · April 21, 2004 9:35AM

I did read it, but the fact remains it was a free box. I'd like to see a show of hands of anyone that got a LeBron out of theirs. I know of no one at my shop that got one either. Fact remains it is high priced junk. I can show you my auctions that I have going on right now as evidence, lol....Odds of pulling anything half way decent are so low for the consumer. I had more luck with Patchworks than this stuff, and at half the cost. In my opinion it is worth a C-, but then I don't owe anything to Topps either

It is still a persons right to disagree without being put down too.....and JSA knows my feelings about critics in general, lol.....He's still my friend, at least I hope so....

felix76 · April 21, 2004 10:06AM

Whoo, you hit the nail on the head with that juiced box, MrRookie. He pulled a bunch of future superstars out of that box.(Troy Bell/ M Pietrus/ Z Cabarkapa, all 1 color jerseys) The (B-) was a stellar grade too!

You must either be "out of your damn mind" or just like to post negative junk on either people's threads. The only thing I saw of any decency was the Lebron, which would recoup a total of $30-$60 on e-bay. (Yes I checked the completed auctions)

So what if the box was free? Topps and other companies send them products to review (which is what they did if you failed to read the actual review). He gave an accurate account of the box he had to review. It was a B- based on the Lebron alone. He didn't pull any great magical card out of the box. There is also a good handful of the same card on e-bay at the moment. Do a search.

To keep coming back with the negative posts just completely amazes me. You must be one of the TR haters or something. Was your application denied for some ungodly reason? Did you not meet the criteria that is needed to be a member? Is this you vindictive side coming out under the anomosity of your computer? Or do you just not trade cards?

I don't post here much, but I have yet to see you do any trading here. I think in the future you would be better off hitting the "back" button" (can be found in the upper left corner, most of the time) or just skipping the post all together.

I will indeed be waiting for your "magical" (and probably juvenile) remarks to be made about me and this post. I will get these facts out of the way first: Yes, I am a supporter of TR and SCI. No, I do not have any "special interest" in TR or SCI. Yes. I do trade cards still.

Now if you want to get a box and do your own review, then so be it! But do not come down on a man for giving HIS opinion of a review HE did, with a box HE recieved. If he was actually "giving" away reviews, wouldn't they all be A+++++++++ then to satisfy the companies?

In closing, I look forward to any "witty" batter you may have and will greatly enjoy responding again. Just do us all a favor and at least keep the name calling and other juvenile remarks to yourself.

Thanks

ME!

Johnscottanthony · April 21, 2004 10:38AM

Joyce,
I think you know I have no problem with people voicing their opinion or disagreeing with me . A product review is strickly my thoughts on the product. Nothing more, nothing less. So people can take the info I give them and use it, or judge a product for themselves (as you do) and make your own decision on purchasing it. Pretty simple. I don't believe Ive "downed" anyone in this post and even in pms, Ive only asked that if you make a comment, make it constructive and make it something that can be discussed.
One liners like "another juiced box" has little to no purpose or meaning.
There are alot of collectors out there who dont have card shops to go to, so seeing a review of what someone busted is useful to them. Just as I think its useful for you or anyone else to echo in and say you felt differently about a product. But to keep harping on the fact that the product is free and because of that I alter my scores, is #1 false and #2 (in a backhanded kind of way) is saying that Im being dishonest to my readers.
Everytime I post here I know that i will have to defend myself, yet I feel its worth it for those who
do infact read the reviews and learn about the product.

JSA

JErik20 · April 21, 2004 10:45AM

Keep up the reviews JSA, as a former TR moderator i know that you do a TON of work for NO PAY as a service for (mostly) ungrateful chronic compainers. I enjoy the reads, and for the most part, think that you are fair in your opinions of the product.

Erik

JErik20 · April 21, 2004 10:56AM

MrRookie apparently did not even read the review according to this load of crap: "why whatever do you mean that is a "better evaluation" of the product??? you don't think that just because Topps gives him the boxes for free he might feel compelled to write them a shining review in order to preserve the flow of free wax? that's ridiculous "

Here is an exerpt for the jackass, b/c he obviously missed it:

"Now the bad. Building a set around the now "tired and unexciting" jersey card market is unappealing to collectors now chasing autographs. The square jersey patch seems dull and uninventive. The majority of the jersey swatches are one color leaving much to be desired. The price tag of 160.00 a box is too expensive for most collectors especially the younger market. Although this was certainly alot of fun to open, the truth of the matter is that the market is flooded with jersey cards, so much so that jeresy cards are dropping in price at a rapid pace. The influx of more jersey cards, and the production of sets such as "Topps Jersey Edition", SP Gameused and Fleer Patchwork won't help to change this trend. Next year I would like to see this product revamped where each pack has a true base card (say 3-4 per pack) and then "one" jersey card. That jersey card should be of a true "all star" such as Shaq, Duncan, Garnett,or Brand, and/or of a rookie. The swatch should be well designed (no more square swatches), short printed, and multi colored whenever possible. The point is that a square jersey swatch has lost its appeal to the majority of collectors in todays market and to get a stronger following Topps Jersey Edition will have to undergo some improvements to set its product apart from other standard jersey cards."

That sounds "shining" to you retard??? If that is the case, then by calling you a retard- you may think i just complimented you

Erik

duncangal · April 21, 2004 11:35AM

JSA, I know you think you are doing a service for some people and that is fine, I guess critics are good for some. I just think that to be fair, you do, even if subconsciously, have to make the reviews halfway good, or you know they won't continue to send free boxes, lol... I also think you have to take more than one opinion in perspective when judging things, which is why I like to hear what everyone else pulls as well. It is a lot of money for boxes these days, so I just didn't want people to think that if they buy a box they are going to pull a LeBron or Carmelo out of it. There are a lot more mediocre cards in it then good ones. Keep on doing your reviews, but when you come on here, know that I will be here to give a laymans point of view as well, and others feel free to do the same!

No one needs to be mean on here, from our site or TR...

Quasar31 · April 21, 2004 11:52AM

ok i have a few questions i`d like to ask JSA . 1st do you review any boxes that are out of pocket or do you just do the ones they send you? 2nd how do you get upper deck to send you boxes when i cant even get them to send me a few free packs that they have owed me for a year and a half ?

ThisIsSportsCentre · April 21, 2004 11:58AM

It's become quite evident that everytime a TR-related post comes up, someone has something negative to say. Often times more than just one person.

Is it because people have scores to settle, or have the egos of the TR administration led to their credibility and reputation being diminished?

Just take a look. Even the once-TR faithful have had enough.

<< CLIPPERSFAN3- HOF MEMBER AT TR
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have been on TR since the MSN site. When I first joined TR, it had been around for a year or so, and its maturation process had been very slow. I had previously been trading on other boards, and was getting ripped off most the time. I came to TR; these guys were boasting how it was the safest site on the net. I didn’t believe it, because most of the rules that are in place now to “protect” traders weren’t in place. The thing that impressed me though was the activity. I had seen sites like TR before with more members; however they had some 10,000 posts. I joined because I saw that you actually had to have credible references in order to join the site. I sent in my application and I was accepted a week or so later. At the time there were about 50-60 members on the site. The list at the very bottom is a list of people who were on the site at the time of my joining, and are no longer active whether it is because they are banned or they just don’t come around anymore. Including myself that makes 42 members. That’s almost every single member of the site when I joined to being inactive today. Most all these people still collect cards, so why would they not be an active member of TR. Well for most part these people are fed up. As of right now there are 16 current Hall of Famers on TR. At the moment, one of them is quitting, one is suspended, and the other was just banned. There’s something wrong when the people who our peers are voting as the best of the best are quitting or being banned/suspended.

TR is regarded as the “best” trading card site on the net. It was when I first joined. It may still be the safest, however it’s definitely not the best anymore. And here are some of the reasons.

A little after I joined this site, the problem that we’re having now we were having then. The mods at the time *cough* the thought police of TR were seriously banning people for saying anything that was bad about the site. I remember there were guys who got suspended, for just offering positive criticism. It seems like its back to that. JJones was banned for telling it how it is. Vince15fan was banned for making intelligent arguments. I mean come on give me a break. JP was one of the best guys on this site, and been around longer then almost everyone. In JSA’s little message to all the members, he said that JP was a bully to other members. What made him a bully? The fact that he’s smarter then everyone else on this site, knows how to speak in proper English, (something most people on this site aren’t capable of) and the fact that his side was usually right on his arguments. Even when he was wrong, he still won the argument just for the fact that he was more intelligent then the person he was arguing. So yeah, I guess that does make him a bully.

Another problem that I have is that the people who are in charge have absolutely no common sense. All these problems that are always arising can be easily solved, however they usually choose the most radical solution which usually pisses a lot of people off.
For example, the sales post controversy: During my tenure on TR, this “problem” has come up about 8 times, and each time it hasn’t been resolved. The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. What is the rationale in creating a forum that no one uses and that everyone hates? All it does is make people upset when there post gets moved, and it just creates more bandwidth. You people who think that there should be no sales on the regular forums and think that selling cards is evil are fu**ing morons. Every card in every collection has been BOUGHT. Whether it be from Ebay, a dealer, or the card was pulled from a pack that was PURCHASED. So if you are a collector in the purest sense, than that card you are holding was bought; unless of course you stole it… and that’s just a whole different argument. The other problem is that you people think that the people who sell on the forums only sell. Everyone on this site trades. Everyone on this site has feedback that they have gotten from trades. That’s why there is no activity in the sales forums. No one on this site only SELLS. I have bought and sold off TR numerous times, and I also have some 70 trades under my belt. I only go to the basketball forum. Never have I used the sales forum. I have never gone into the basketball forum with the intent of buying anything, however it happens because I collect cards. Every time someone has there post moved from the trading forum to the sales forum, you have done them a disservice, because no one is going to look at that post. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST I HAVE A SOLUTION TO ALL THIS SALES FORUM BULLS**T. IT IS SUCH AN EASY SOLUTION HOWEVER MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ARE TOO DUMB AND TOO LAZY TO THINK ABOUT THIS. ITS CALLED GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE AND CLICK “NEXT PAGE.” You people freak out when a topic gets pushed off the first page. So fu**ing what? Just go to the next page. Why do you think there are 70 pages of topics?

About a year ago, I told a couple people who are members of this site, that in a minimum of a year with a max of about 2 years, that TR would start collapsing. Well it looks like its starting to happen. It’s a natural thing. TR has gotten too big for its own good, and every good thing must come to an end. The site isn’t going to completely demolish right now, but in the not too distant future, the people who joined when the new site was created will be saying the same thing that I am saying now, and they will leave. In the last few days, the following people have either quit or been banned: JJonesfan, Vince15fan, Clipperfan3, and Jeatilla. V00D00Child42 and Richy are probably considering leaving as well, however they can’t because they are suspended. I’m sure people are going to say, “so what, because there are 700 members on this site.” Well it is a big deal, because those people and the list of people below created this site and made it what it was and they are the foundation of TR. But there all gone now, because the new people that have taken over are screwing things up, and eventually TR will be like every other site… too many members and con-artists a plenty.

Well that’s my spiel… You can do whatever you want. You can ban me or you can keep my user name on the site, and I’ll just be another one of the guys who have been around since the early days and are no longer active.

Here's the list:

Clipperfan3
Lee
Tuneman (RIP)
Josher416 (RIP)
Richy
Ponyboy (co-founder)
Frank McDee (co-founder)
JJonesFan
Cbear1985
Vince15fan
Kenny
Fanofdm
Jerik
Haliguy
Ejones06
Mpower
Baljitgill
Iowastud (formerly known as IAMSPORTSCARDMAN)
Xander
Ryano
Schwab14
JohnNewman
Robdemakis
Shaqmanningfan
Scherping19
SteelCurtain
Juandylan
Surveyor
Kingofcards
Chrisalhman
Mattdog
AzainPhenom
Epag64
Ceruleanblue
BigE42
Russ
Heelsfan
TeamKansas
Danish
Ahares
Mgdwilly
Dodgamatic

other members gone:

richy- HOF AT TR
VODDO- HOF AT TR
jeattli- GOLD MEMBER AT TR
FANOFDM- SILVER
JP- HOF, GOLD MEMBER AT TR
>>

"Power hungry monsters," you've been described as. Not by some schmuck upset over not getting accepted, either. By original members of the site, who've put over three years into Trader's Retreat, and have been around to see what once was the best trading community on the net turn into a complete waste of bandwidth. Your elitist demeanors have gotten the best of you, and unless you folks finally get over yourselves, chances are it's going to get worse. While other sites grow and prosper, the clout that TR once had is fastly slipping away.

And Erik, it takes a big man to call another a "retard." It takes an even bigger man to do it over the internet, with the enormous sense of security that a computer monitor provides.

I'll save you the time of time of typing out a response, the dialogue is so predictable that I can do it myself:

"You're a retard, jackass. I would so kick your ass face-to-face because I'm big and bad with my optical mouse."

cloudorganic · April 21, 2004 12:11PM

JSA, you are awesome. I'll PM you right now...we've actually talked many times before, so I for one believe that your reveiws are fair and not biased.

cloudorganic · April 21, 2004 12:15PM

By the way, JErik is an old buddy of mine on here too, it's good to see him keeping the chumps in check as always

JErik20 · April 21, 2004 12:20PM

You are amazing!!!!! That is EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY!!! GOOD JOB RETARDED JACKASS!!!

And if you knew me in person you'd know i'll talk the same $hi+ to your face

And let's clarify my name being on that TR list of no-longer-active members- I am no longer active because i no longer trade, not because i have a problem with the management. JSA is an awesome guy with good intentions and does a good job

Erik

duncangal · April 21, 2004 12:21PM

I would still like to know who you were in the past cloudorganic and why you are afraid to come out in the open with your past...You can pm me if you are afraid of bad comments....... Also, everyone knows that this is NOT about TR, so please leave it out of it!! JSA and I have been friends for years, and this is just an innocent discussion, don't try and turn it into a turf war, lol......

Johnscottanthony · April 21, 2004 12:27PM

I will look over "ThisIsSportsCentre" remark as it has nothing to do with this post concerning product reviews. Obviously for this person to have saved this TR post from a upset member he must have more connection to the TR site than just being a innocent onlooker.

Quasar31
We first started doing the reviews out of pocket, but as we grew larger select companies sent products to us for review. Topps and Fleer both started sending me packs, and as I built a relationship with them we progressed to boxes. Today about 95% of our reviews are done by products sent in to us. From time to time we may do a review that we purchased, but in all honesty rarely.

Upper Deck is a difficult account as we havent received product from them in close to 3 months. Right now we are trying to reconnect our ties with them but as i said its difficult. So any reviews we do for them currently will be out of pocket.

JSA

goodforshoe · April 21, 2004 1:06PM

YES TR Vs Collectors Universe

The same old Aholes talk about stuff like they know what they are talking about.

JSA- The Best thing you could have done was showed it and never spoke again. All people on here do anymore is cry. I am not part of TR but i have seen it and its one of the best reasons for that place. Not all the whineing of this place.

I dont even know why the good people here (duncangal, Quasar31, Ect...) Stay. This place is worthless.

Now i wait for JErik20 to give me a smartass remark because he loves me so much

cloudorganic · April 21, 2004 1:51PM

I'm not sure why anyone would make this their primary trading site, it's so slow.

Quasar31 · April 21, 2004 1:51PM

i just come on every now and then.... we have our own site that takes up most of my online time these days. and no crying on it site trashing in any way on it

olajuwon · April 21, 2004 1:57PM

The reason people are leaving TR is because the staff (99% of it) is a huge bunch of hipocrites.

People talking crap on the internet is stupid and pointless and very immature.

I was a silver member at TR until they kicked me out for something that other members do themselves and made up a BS excuse for it. Now from what I hear TR is suspending and or suspending members for voicing their opinions, which is why half of the people in TR did not like me because I voiced my opinion. I had an argument with someone named Vince15Fan, we were both the same kind of members who let our positions be known, but I think we had mutual respect for each other somewhere deep down.

I remember alot of people here from TR and I was on good terms with them, including two in the post, ljmaya and felix76. I am in no way bashing the members of TR, not even bashing TR, I am just blaming TR as a whole for trying to mindwash their members.

I applaud TR for their achievement in being one of the largest and safest trading communites on the web, but I think the tide is shifting now.

cloudorganic · April 21, 2004 2:00PM

I am in no way bashing the members of TR, not even bashing TR, I am just blaming TR as a whole for trying to mindwash their members.

olajuwon, see how silly that comment looks?

olajuwon · April 21, 2004 2:08PM

No actually I don't. I am not saying the site is stupid and worthless and they suck up to companies. That would be bashing.

I am saying that their downfall is their own fault and it could have been prevented.

I have no problems with you, but I think you are just sucking up to TR here because JSA is giving you that card for free. I might be wrong, but hey, thats what makes the world go wrong.

cloudorganic · April 21, 2004 2:12PM

Yes, I've changed my entire viewpoint for a $5 GU. I'm for sale.

Johnscottanthony · April 21, 2004 6:43PM

Wow......... Nothing like visiting old CU.
This is one of those moments where half of you says "Just leave it alone JSA", while the other says "Say whats on your mind for your own personal sanity". Guess i will do a little of both.
"TRs demise?" "Not what it used to be?"
After being a site in one form or another for 3 going on 4 years, we have a grand total of 812 members.
That's it! Yet every day we have anywhere from 100 to 175 solid members online on our site at one time.
Some sites who have a open door policy to their site with 2000 -3000 or more members (double and even triple our size) never reach that amount of "member activity" a night. I would even go as far as saying when it comes to number of posts and trades, we are near the top among all the sites. In other words upon someone posting a list of cards for trade, I believe our site is in the top 3 of generating the most responses and trade/sales.
Have their been times when we were more active? "Yes", but I believe with all business activity comes in waves. There will be down times, there will be up times, it happens everywhere. But I dont see any indication that TR is in a downward spiral, infact quite the opposite.
Also more sites are being created and others are improving. Collectors have more to choose from these days. Crit from SCS is a great guy and does a wonderful job with SCS, Baljit (although we have our differences) I still respect his work and appreciate the improvements hes made with HI as its a good site for collectors, The bench, Sportscardfun, sportscardforum and many more out there are all availible for interested collectors. Its not the same market it was when TR started so all I can do as the leader of TR is find our nitch in the business and provide everything I can for my loyal members.... period. Our claim to fame, as its always been is our efforts to bring the best collectors onto our site, and to monitor our forums so outbreaks like this very post don't happen on TR. We keep our community small so we can be a tight unit and give our members the personal attention they and their collections need. Ok nuff about that.
My last comments are this: I will be the first to say I have made mistakes along the way with TR. No one starts what Frank, Evan and I started and not hit bumps in the road. Do i have regrets? Yes, there are many things i wish i could go back and do different, there are a few friendships I wish i could mend. But in the end I did at the time what i thought was right and moved forward. When you want your site to be number 1, there must be some and confidence about you. You cant go into something saying or thinking " I hope this works". You have to go in with the confidence that you are the best at what you do and your site has something to offers that others cant. In that drive to reach the top you may loose some people put off by the very attitude I just described. It happens. What you dont want to happen is when you reach the top, that you forget those who helped you get there such as your members.
There have been times where the staff and I made decisions that we probably could have handled diffferently, but again its all a learning process. We at TR are still learning as we go. And other sites can take advantage and learn from the mistakes we made as they follow the road we have already traveled.
Unfortunately for TR the road we travel is the one we make, so we just try to do the best along the way. I can promise you i will make many more mistakes. My hope is to never loose a good member because of that mistake. Sorry this went on so long, and hopefully next product review we wont have to go through this again,

JSA

cardnyou · April 22, 2004 1:45AM

Welp JSA ..... i dont know of any other site that has as many members logged on at the same time as TR, which makes most other sites a lil boring....but keep up tha great job, you've done good and keep goin on man....anyone gives ya slack lemme know, theres a few people on here i wouldnt mind cussing out.

BECKETTSUCKS · April 22, 2004 2:46AM

In my opinion TR is no better than their corrupt sponsors.

I basically spoke out against Donruss/Leaf/Playoff/Score and was removed from the site. I broke no other rules.

I guess I can understand though, wouldn't want to jeapordize those free boxes.

Isn't there a word for that?

Sellout?

BECKETTSUCKS · April 22, 2004 4:13AM

What I would like to see from a site like TR is some honest reporting about the Hobby.

Use the power of your website to ask BGS about the same card going from a 9 to 10.

To ask why Mr. Sandground from Beckett testified in the Topps trial, for Beckett.

To ask Playoff about the "BuyBacks" and ask Beckett why all have been removed both in print and online.

To ask why in this day and age are there still so may mistakes with autograph cards (autographs missing the autograph, sticker autographs upside down, sticker autographs on the wrong cards).

Or here's a good place to start.

eBay item 4126026513 (Ends Apr-27-04 19:56:12 PDT) - 2003-04 Upper Deck Lebron James Error Autograph #/23

Allen · April 22, 2004 4:33AM

I just wish there was one website that everyone used and went too. It would be so nice and everyone could get so many more trades done. Just think if all the members of CU, HI, SCF, TR, SCS, Etc all joined one web site. I think it would be great but I don't think there is any way everyone could get over their differences and just trade. Just my thought, I think I'll end my "I have a Dream,..." Speech now.

cloudorganic · April 22, 2004 5:37AM

Beckettsucks, you should try being a little more of a bitter a$$hole. Oh wait, you've reached the saturation point.

I'm not saying that to defend TR, in fact I've never even seen the place. But there sure a lot of people who have their panties in a wad over it.

duncangal · April 22, 2004 5:58AM

I don't see anything wrong in asking questions. If someone from another site is going to come on here and advertises, then they are open for questions and comments. It is why I like CU, because believe me it wouldn't be allowed on other sites. Someone I remember used to say, it's the freedom of speech.

I really wish this hadn't become a site bashing thread tho, I know JSA didn't have that in mind.

Allen- I don't think your wish could ever happen, seems to be too many egos that get in the way anymore....

olajuwon · April 22, 2004 7:51AM

JSA- Many of your so-called "loyal members" are either leaving or you are kicking them out? Most of your members are fairly new, haven't been there over a year. Many of them are either leaving the site or going to other members.

It may seem like a hold a grudge against, TR, and I just might, but I am just saying that they need to loosen up on their rules and not be such tyrants. Many of the members on TR are saying it is not as good as it used to be a year or two ago.

autobilia · April 22, 2004 8:11AM

<< I just wish there was one website that everyone used and went too. It would be so nice and everyone could get so many more trades done. Just think if all the members of CU, HI, SCF, TR, SCS, Etc all joined one web site. I think it would be great but I don't think there is any way everyone could get over their differences and just trade. Just my thought, I think I'll end my "I have a Dream,..." Speech now. >>

It wouldn't work. It would be hard for 1 site to have a balance of all sports. There will be a dominate sport on any site based on the way it is advertised and marketed. Think of it like this... if there was only 1 site and you got banned from it... that's it. Nowhere else to go. Almost like if there was only 1 card company. You would eventually get tired of it if they used a standard design and stayed with it. Variety is always good.

MrRookie · April 22, 2004 8:17AM

to echo what autobilia said, if all the sites joined into one you wouldn't be able to get away from JSA. you wouldn't want that would you?

cloudorganic · April 22, 2004 8:39AM

CU is just like I remember it...losers who can't get into TR or were kicked out of TR bashing it because they're bitter. Its like the dorks in high school making fun of the popular kids, but if they had a chance to switch places with them they'd do it in a heartbeat.

And again...I am NOT a TR member, nor do I seek to be. It's just very obvious what's going on here.

Johnscottanthony · April 22, 2004 9:07AM

Beckettsucks,
Some of your points are "valid" believe it or not, yet the question is how involved are you willing to get to make a change? Anyone can create a sarcastic username and make posts about the negativities in the hobby. But it takes a true pioneer to invoke change. Your tatics are all wrong if you do "infact" want to change the system for the betterment of the hobby. No company is going to listen to a person who comes in insulting their product or system. You first must prove that you are a creditible source of the hobby market (in other words you have a large group of collectors who "you" speak for) and then you address your views in a professional manner. In my few run ins with you I have yet to see you do this or try this.
My last comment to you is about your remark about honest reporting. We are doing this, infact Rob Franz did a fantastic article on SCI about the different publications and there price guides.
Check it out some time:
SCI article on price guides
So we are doing what we can to help the hobby, it might not be in your Malcom X tatics "by any means neccasary", but we are doing what we can to help both the collectors and the companies that produce us products.

olajuwon,
As you said yourself, your comments on TR may be personal. So I will just pass on replying as this post has received more than enough attention . I stand by the work we do at TR and hope that the members we have appreciate what we bring to them.

JSA

olajuwon · April 22, 2004 1:13PM

Oh, ok. So you either don't have anything else to say to me because you know I am right. Or you are happy that I got kicked out and obviously don't remember all the good things I did while I was on TR and for TR. I am done with this and have found a new home.

cloudorganic · April 22, 2004 1:39PM

JSA, you don't have to tiptoe around these idiots. Defend your site! You and many people have put too much work into it to let a couple of 13-year-old losers badmouth it without you saying a word. Next time someone bashes TR on CU, just reply, "well, at least people trade on TR." Next time anyone from this "new" site bash it, just reply, "well, unlike your site, we have more than 5 members."

MrRookie · April 23, 2004 3:19AM

jsa says he doesn't want to start an argument. why? because he'd be crushed in an argument. not that hard to figure out.

BECKETTSUCKS · April 23, 2004 4:05AM

<< Beckettsucks,
Some of your points are "valid" believe it or not, yet the question is how involved are you willing to get to make a change? Anyone can create a sarcastic username and make posts about the negativities in the hobby. But it takes a true pioneer to invoke change. Your tatics are all wrong if you do "infact" want to change the system for the betterment of the hobby. No company is going to listen to a person who comes in insulting their product or system. You first must prove that you are a creditible source of the hobby market (in other words you have a large group of collectors who "you" speak for) and then you address your views in a professional manner. In my few run ins with you I have yet to see you do this or try this.
My last comment to you is about your remark about honest reporting. We are doing this, infact Rob Franz did a fantastic article on SCI about the different publications and there price guides.
Check it out some time:
SCI article on price guides
So we are doing what we can to help the hobby, it might not be in your Malcom X tatics "by any means neccasary", but we are doing what we can to help both the collectors and the companies that produce us products.

JSA >>

I have tried to go the other way. I have tried to contact Beckett in the past only to never receive an answer.

I have also contacted the card companies about finding errors for them, free. I was willing to find and buy error cards for UD and all I asked in return was the price I paid for the card and that like once or twice a year when they give employee cards out I be included. I got a very emphatic NO!

Here is a direct quote from an email from Mr. Carlin at UD concerning autograph error cards (certified autographs missing the autograph).

"Traditionally we do not replace error cards, they are just anomalies out there in the market."

The card companies have the attitude that they just don't care, that they know they make mistakes and are not obligated in any way to correct them.

Playoff is another company that will lie to your face and make you jump through hoops to get anything fixed. While I cannot go into detail it involves the "BuyBack" cards which I like to refer to them now as Fakebacks.

My attitude now is that if the card companies don't care about their own product why should I?

Johnscottanthony · April 23, 2004 4:26AM

Beckettsucks,

Listen buddy Im out of here and moving on to other things. I would honestly like to work with you and
together see what we can do to work on the issues you have pointed out. If you are serious about this,
because honestly I am, contact me at scott.mclaughlin@traderretreat.com and we can discuss ideas and ways to make the change.

Thanks
JSA

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