Opinions from Toning Lovers

FC57Coins

Lately I've developed a bizarre fascination with late date toned coins. I don't know what it is, but I think they're neat. Now granted, some are much prettier than others, but the ones that have me fixated are ones that look like the coin below - Am I crazy or do these type coins have eye appeal to anyone else but me? Speak out! Thanks!

stman

Sympathy Post.

BTW, You want the truth? Can YOU handle the truth?

Stuart

Frank: It's pretty for a 1967 Kennedy, but just not my type of coin. Thanks for sharing!

FC57Coins

Give it to me straight Stman - I can take it

mgoodm3

Ain't nothing wrong with that Kennedy. I don't collect them, but even then it's nice to look at.

stman

Frank, I think it's great you enjoy these. If you like them then that's all that matters. Of course you knew that. Please don't make me go any further.

FrattLaw

I'm with you Frank! I've been rounding up all the nicely toned late date (modern) coins that I can get a hold of. Most of the time there's little mark up over the price of a non-toned example. I really like the Dansco rainbows toners I can find. I send them off to ANACS whenever they run a special and just hoard them. You should see my toned Lincoln collection. Even Morris (a/k/a mnmcoin) wants to get at a few of them!

I don't know if there will ever be a demand for late date toners, but moderns have huge mintages and equally high survival rates, I guess really nice toning might be the way to set a coin apart from the pack other a high grade.

Michael

stman

Frank, I was just looking at this JFK and trying to put my finger on what just does not do it for me as far as how this is toned. I think I've got it.

Although the colors on this one seem to be the normal for these type of ummm coins Seriously though I guess it is indeed the colors and the way they look on the surface. I'm not used to seeing these type of colors together (nor do I plan to ) so I guess that's why they look odd to me. But hey... I'm trying to be nice and honest here.

keets

hey Frank

since i collect Jeffersons, the colors look quite nice. that's due to the fact that all moderns are essentially large Jefferson Nickels and if you're familiar with the way that series, or any of the nickel series' tone, you'll accept and appreciate the moderns and the colors that they tend toward. i think it gets straight to design/modern bias for a collector to not appreciate the coin you've displayed but yet embrace the same type of toning on a Liberty or Shield Nickel, or even a 3CN.

quite simply, Nickel coinage-----moderns-----won't tone the same way that Silver coinage does. in fact, Nickel/Modern coinage probably tends more toward toning colors similar to bronze/copper cents since it's the copper that is primarily reacting to cause the color patterns.

al h.

keets

OK, OK. so i'm a butthead and the coin is actually a 40% silver!!!!!!!!!!!

DOH!!!!!!!! but you get my point anyway, now be gentle as you apply the hammer!!!

al h.

K6AZ

I don't really care for Kennedys, but that doesn't mean others can't enjoy them. I make it a point not to bash what others like to collect, unlike some other people I know.

"Toned Morgan bullion coins"

keets

hey now, i just calls 'em like i sees 'em, grumpy!!! i, oh, never mind.

al h.

Shamika

"Lately I've developed a bizarre fascination with late date toned coins."

I luv ya Frank, but...

stman

<< <i>i think it gets straight to design/modern bias for a collector to not appreciate the coin you've displayed but yet embrace the same type of toning on a Liberty or Shield Nickel, or even a 3CN. >>



No bias here I just don't care for the darn things if that's ok with you Mr. Keets.

Actually I don't care for Liberty or shield nickels as well a 3CN. Maybe that's why.

Frank asked a question and some of us answered truthfully.

FC57Coins

Point taken Stman - but that's just the point - this toning is quite unusual in it's blend of colors and textures. It almost looks - dare I say, AT, but as the itty bitty tag in the background shows - it's not - it's an honest end of the roll coin. I'm not professing that these coins are for everyone, I like them because they're off the beaten path, and that's where I tend to hang out in most of my life's endeavours, so, great - I seem to be in the minority on this one, but that's OK - one of the great things about this hobby is that you can collect anything you damn well please, and as long as you like it, that's all that matters.

FC57Coins

Keets - nice save, but Esposito scored on the rebound

keets

hey MRstman

bite me!!

al h.

LucyBop

Very unusual and very nice...

don't listen to grumpy ol stman....


he loves a good fingerprint!

stman

<< <i>this toning is quite unusual in it's blend of colors and textures. It almost looks - dare I say, AT, but as the itty bitty tag in the background shows - it's not >>



This was also part of what I was trying to say in a nice way. These colors on many coins would scream AT IMO. But if the itty bitty tag says good, by George it's good.

keets

This was also part of what I was trying to say in a nice way.

you ain't never said nothin' in a nice way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

al h.

rainbowroosie

I don't like toned modern coins at all....in fact, I think they are very poor investments...do not ever pay a premium for toning, in fact, all readers should sell their toned moderns as soon as possible to avoid future losses....especially Roosevelt Dimes which are WAY over valued...sell them now.

stman

Hey Keets, I say it how I say it. I calls them as I see's them. I'm just not as educated as you to be intellectual, so I just get to the point. Here, this ones for you, You like? Appreciate it.

BigD5

That coin screams AT.

I could care less if it's in that slab. I wouldn't "accept" those colors as being "real". My opinion, and that's what I'd be thinking if I was offered the coin.

If you like it Ken, by all means it's a keeper. Everyone should collect what strikes their fancy.

There's a whole slew of "moderns" out there that I have the same opinion on. Am I correct? Maybe, maybe not.

They get slabbed, so the powers to be have deemed them "acceptable".

keets

hey Mrstman

you mean you're a high school dropout?? you could always go and get your GED so we can communicate---er, talk---on the same level. as for me, i just try to be tactful sometimes, not always, but sometimes. i do think i have you beat in the "sense of humor" category, though. ya wanna hear my hillbilly jokes??

oh, BTW. that half is way too familiar.

al h.

stman

BigD, and they call me grumpy? You see Keets, I did indeed say it in a nice way compared to this grump. How you been Bigd5?

stman

Keets did I say I was a High School dropout? Graduated with honors and 3 years of college. Was going to major in Psychology. So I got you figured out clown.

BTW, I'm trying to figure out a nice way to tell you to stick it. Nope, can't think of one.

BigD5

Opinions were asked for, so what the heck?

I'm good. Busy, but who isn't.

keets

I'm just not as educated as you to be intellectual

i'm a high school graduate, nothing more. what'd you take to be less educated than me??

al h.

FC57Coins

Now boys - settle down!

Amazing - here is a very good example of why we collect - differences in opinions. A well developed collector and a dealer both stating that this coin is AT, but it resides in a slab - AND though granted, it doesn't fit entirely into the diagnostic mold of Morgan Toning, it does fit the diagnostics for toning in this particular series. You guys have encouraged me to continue sorcing out these coins and studying them as they offer a fascinating new arena for collectors. What's this? Another one of these things in a holder??? Oh the humanity!!!

BigD5

The '68-d looks ok.

LucyBop

Ugly ol Hair Head coinz!

stman

I agree the 68-d doesn't raise any red flags IMO. Sorry for the possible derailment of your thread Frank. Was just trying to offer some input. OK, enough of these now.

FC57Coins

I think the thread was just dandy for a Saturday nite fellas - I appreciate everyone's input

mnmcoin

Me likey!!!

I agree, there is just something about toned contemporaries!!!

morris <><

Chrysta

I like the toned moderns, and have found some nice, mellowly toning stuff in dealer's junk boxes at shows. One of my favorites is a 1970 proof Washington that was just starting to go pink around the rims when I bought it. Since I bought a bunch of silver Roosies for my set from him, he gave me the $1.50 Washington for free. I kept it in the same holder, and about a year later the pink has advanced, and now there's some lavender growing around the rim. A very pretty coin!

Hadleydog

I kind of like it. Moderns are not really my cup of tea, but the toning gives it some real character.
Cool!

1907Quarter

Frank-
Absolutely what I'm looking for for my Dansco. Please keep me in mind if you find one anything like this raw!
Eugene

Bear

Frank, your coin looks terrible. Send it to me right away

for a refined and decent disposal.

IrishMike

Frank, to me one of the great things about this hobby is that there are so many things to collect and few of us like them all. Let's hope this fascination of yours is short lived.

FC57Coins

<< <i>Let's hope this fascination of yours is short lived. >>



Ha-ha

I went to the Atlanta show yesterday and set up my picture taking booth, and also set up a coin case. Just to see what kind of reaction I would get from onlookers, I put my set of toned Kennedies (1964-1969D) on the top row. Needless to say I got a lot of oohs and aaahs for the set. Unfortunately, it also distracted everyone from the coins that I DID have for sale, so I didn't sell anything

WWW

I like it Frank. The 40% silver Kennedy's take on a unique tone of their own. Here's a NGC MS66 that I recently sold:

jom

I agree with BigD5 here. The first two Kennedys shown in this thread look "toyed" with to me....screamin' AT. The Franklin and this 69-D Kennedy look good...IMO.

The question you should be asking yourself is: Does it matter? Do you like the coin? When I say "like" that also includes whether you liked the PRICE. If everything is as you like then by all means, buy the coin.

Do worry about what other people think..and that includes the grading services. Enjoy the coin YOURSELF! After all, YOU are the one paying the money to buy, right?

jom

FC57Coins

<< <i>The question you should be asking yourself is: Does it matter? Do you like the coin? When I say "like" that also includes whether you liked the PRICE. If everything is as you like then by all means, buy the coin. >>



The question was not whether or not I like these coins, that's already been established by virtue of the fact that I own them and got them certified, mainly to establish their "market acceptability" in my mind. This thread was meant to shake out any kindred spirits that might be out there who have also discovered these little gems and decided they're cool.

Since I started noticing these things, I've gathered a number of similar coins and have taken to looking at their toning patterns, what different patterns develop and so forth. One thing with the two Kennedies that I posted that no one seemed to mention anything about is the fact that the outer layer of both these coins is an alloy of 80% silver and 20% copper. Perhaps the difference in alloy composition has led to the unusual pattern/coloration that we're used to on 90% silver coins (we already know that .999 silver eagles tone yet in a pattern all their own). Other considerations may be planchet treatment prior to striking. Either way, these questions may lead to other questions and that makes the hobby that much more interesting to me.

jom

FC57: It seemed to me your original question was:

"Am I crazy or do these type coins have eye appeal to anyone else but me?"

My answer was directed to that. I don't really think it matters much whether it's AT...in fact, I've never really read a decent definition of what "AT" is. It's fairly subjective...

On point of whether the metal mix effects the toning. Sure it does. But I think a good example of what, IMO, good toned coin would be of that mix is the 69-D below. I feel that the finger print is a dead giveaway to originality. But then who knows? Just some thoughts...

jom

braddick

<< <i>I like it Frank. The 40% silver Kennedy's take on a unique tone of their own. Here's a NGC MS66 that I recently sold: >>

...and it just arrived yesterday! Thank you. It has even MORE luster than the photos and the color is all there.

stman

<< <i>The first two Kennedys shown in this thread look "toyed" with to me....screamin' AT. The Franklin and this 69-D Kennedy look good...IMO. >>



The Franklin I posted looks good? Interesting.

sTONER

i like that 69d very mucho

FC57Coins

Jom - I think we're circling the same carcass from different directions. I have no problem with these coins and was wondering if anyone else liked them. Having said that, the conversation may have turned to whether or not they're NT or AT but that doesn't matter to me, as does the question of whether or not anyone likes them. I like them and as you said - that's the important thing. Those of us who do like these coins seem to be in the minority, so more for us

Bytheway - for anyone reading this - I could use a really funkily toned 69D Half

jom

<< <i>The Franklin I posted looks good? Interesting. >>



Yeah. You gotta problem with that, bub? lol



<< <i>Jom - I think we're circling the same carcass from different directions. >>



I believe so! I liked this one also..too bad I got outbid. But then again, this isn't a 40% coin.




jom

stman

Jom, I've been saying (and nobody listens, you know the feeling ) that if Tonecoin could photograph better he'd fool many more people. Here's another image. His image. The first one you liked is an image from Russ. You like?

TonedCoinTrader