Global desperate? Grading reprints (???)

interchanges

Don't know if this has been mentioned before.

Browsing thru the pre-war section on ebay when I run across a bunch of Global graded hall of famers. All 9's.
Oh.......one minor thing, they're all reprints. To make matters worse, it only has reprint abbreviated to repr. in small letters near the top.

Is this necessary? You know what's bound to happen.
To me this goes against what third party grading stands for. Global's integrity just took a big hit in my opinion.

WinPitcher

Any 1st graded among that lot? lol
I can see reprints being graded but the cert should say:

REPRINT. not repr.

34GoudeyCollector

GAI Reprint Link A REAL bad move on GAI's part I think. Why would an established grading company have to lower themselves to grading reprints? For that matter, who would even consider submitting reprints for grading?

Ken

jimtb

Why would anyone grade a reprint? If demand for a reprint card were to get hot, the company could simply make more and flood the market. Seems illogical to me.
Jim

Tempura

why is this a knock on the grading company? shouldn't you be ridiculing the fool who sent them in? all of the grading companies grade worthless reprints. if a submitter wants to waste his money sending in a card that on a good day will sell for 50 cents when he has paid 8 to 10 times that to grade it, he should have his head examined.

if it is made of paper and it is not restored i say line the pockets of the grading company. i am sure that it is not above any of the big 3 to grade these cards or those like them. it is called REVENUE, kids. first rule in business is never turn away business.

interchanges

because they are not authentic cards. And authenticating cards is what they (supposedly) do ........KID

bill7549

Yeah, this just sucks, because experienced collectors will know something is fishy with the "repr". But, some newbies would purchase these cards thinking they were authentic. And look at the way the guy advertised the card on Ebay: 1909 T206 ADDIE JOSS GAI 9 RP. It appears from the scan that it is a reprint from 1983, but unscrupulous sellers will go to lengths to make the card appear to be authentic, then covering their ass with the lame RP in the title or a small scan where you can't see the reprint year very well. Oh, and NO REFUNDS...what a hoot.

bill7549

Yeah, that seller is a con. Probably will want to avoid him. Here's a link to a BVG reprint of his as well.

Another lame RP

Tempura

interchanges

who says they are not authentic cards? it seems that you must not know the difference between a real t206 and a reprint. that would make sence as to why you are in a panic.

whether or not they are graded the cards can still be sold to deceive buyers who do not know better.

DaBigHurt

Err..what's so wrong with grading reprints?

bill7549

Well, personally, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with grading reprints. I just think the grading companies (esp GAI) should do a better job of indicating it is a reprint. Otherwise, unscrupulous sellers will try their best to prey on people who don't know the difference (just like the jerk who is selling the cards listed in the links above).

interchanges

Tempura-I know the difference. I actually care about other people. Unlike you.
And I know people will get persuaded into thinking this is a real card. At least the PSA has "1983 reprint" in an obvious spot. Not just a little "repr" in the corner. I could care less about the idiots sending them in.

DaBigHurt

Then what do you mean by saying GAI is 'desperate' for grading reprints?? Desperate as in they're trying to corner the lucrative graded reprint sellers that are trying to pass off their MARKED reprint slabs as originals market?

Someone who doesn't know what 'repr' means on a high graded T-206 reprint has no business buying cards such high dollar cards in the first place.

grilloj39

I do not see a problem with grading reprints...whether it says "repr" or "reprint" doens't make a difference to me either. Not to change the subject of this thread too much, but GAI will also encapsulate trimmed cards if you ask them. Yes, they are not graded, but labeled "Authentic, Trimmed". I don't have a problem with this either. First, a con artist would have to bust the card out of the slab, before passing it off as an unaltered card...second, an honest seller, can still promote the card as being an authentic vintage item.

I do not mind buying trimmed authentic 19th and early 20th Century cards due to the fact that collectors often trimmed these cards to fit in an album, a wallet, etc. There was no attempt to improve a card's condition and pass it on to an unsuspecting buyer back then.

Tempura

wrong interchanges. this has nothing to do with my not caring about other people. get mad at the idiots who produced these and all other reprints that collectors are buying up as real. it is not the grading companies responsibility to protect us from our own stupidity or avarice.

you have misdirected your anger towards me when i was not the person who sold you cards which you were not able to identify as reprints.

aro13

The problem with the "Authentic" grade is when it is wrong like in the Robert Edwards Auction with the T206 Plank that GAI graded.

In the Robert Edwards Auction there is also a lot of T206 Wagner reprints that GAI graded for a special promotion. I guess people want reprints that grade out a 9 or 10 now.

qualitycards

I don't have a problem w/ any grading company grading reprints. They label it as a reprint and are encapsulating & grading it per the customers request. I collect Eddie Plank, and picked up this card on eBay for like $2.00, I sure as hell can't afford a legit one, let alone in a "9" holder. Plus I wanted to see a Beckett slab up close, as its the only one I have. I don't think theres a market to pay for the grading fees and make any money re-selling them, but hey! if the submitter wants to gamble on it, thats his choice!...jay

NickM

DaBigHurt - that Topps reprint was part of a legitimately issued set by Topps. They had every legal right to print those cards (in fact, the set was short 5 players from the original 407, because those 5 would not agree to their likenesses being used in the 1983 set).

I have no problem with grading a reprint that is lawfully issued (whether under copyright license, original copyright, or because copyright has expired). However, any reprint that is issued in violation of the copyright on the original is a counterfeit, and no grading company should have anything to do with those.

Nick

jaxxr

Very well put, Nick.

Not all of us can afford a T-206 set or even a 52 Topps set and similar. Legit reprints are a decent alternative to financial ruin. Many museums, municipal offices, Etc,, display reprints of great art works and there is no big uproar.

Card grading is still evolving and is realativly speaking, kind of new to the hobby. There are still some first-rate collectors who don't believe in grading anything, for various reasons including the idea that the slabbed card is not able to be actually touched or viewed from the side and so forth. Some years back ONLY high value cards were considered for encapsulation, as time and the Registry grew , once "worthless" older commons were popular to grade. In the last few years, sets from 1981 and later are being activly slabbed. Grading legit reprints is a further extension of the acceptance and popularity of card grading.

CON40

jaxx;

You're right... graded items like this are further evidence of the successful impact of graded card marketing... once PSA/BGS/SGC started collaborating with the card companies to insert graded cards into boxes, the boom was on! BGS and PSA especially have been very effective at permeating the status of grading right down to the most worthless of cards... it really is a brilliant strategy when you think about it... and many people continue to buy right into it!

1420sports

is anyone else getting bored with the board?

If I owned a grading company, I would grade wrappers and gum if someone paid for them.

grilloj39

1420...agreed!