not long ago, someone wanted a example of what a whizzed coin looks like

dorkkarl

here ya go

K S

Kriek

PCGS would probably body bag a whizzed coin.

1957joe

I can't really see it. Do you have a better pic?

prooflike

At least it is noted on the holder

ss350camaro

<< <i>not long ago, someone wanted a example of what a whizzed coin looks like >>



Thanks .......... That was me. I see it stated on the label but the pic is so small it makes it difficult to see on the coin. The coin looks pretty good tho

I'm going to email the seller and see if they can provide a larger, more detailed pic.

Thanks again for the link

ARCO

Here's one I saw today that qualifies (if not whizzed) as harshly cleaned, scrubbed, rubbed, polished, and shat out by a rock tumbler.

1908-O Barber Half...SEGS

Tyler

coinlieutenant

The best way that I can describe a whizzing is to look at the luster...

A whizzed coin will many times still cartwheel but the cartwheels will be wider than a normal "thin" cartwheel. See how the cartwheel is being reflected on the NTC coin? See how wide it is?

Also, the coin will be flashy but in a more dull sort of way than an original coin...

Just my two cents...

John

dorkkarl

weird thing is, i didn't even see that the holder said "whizzed", imagine that....

you can just tell that the luster isn't "swirling" on the coin, it's more like "blobbed" on the coin. the "cartwheel" effect has no "spokes"! like i said, more like "blobs" of luster.

K S

nankraut

Another appropriate, educational thread. Thanks dork--er--dorkarl

melikecoins

Thanks for the education Carl and John

Glen

LAWMAN

More info on this subject please. Everybody talks about whizzed coins -- I think Pines of Coast-To-Coast's ANA expulsion mentioned them for example, but, we never really focus on what they look like for those who are not sure. Once I had occasion to handle a whizzed 1915 Ocatgonal commem gold piece and I wish I had a photo (altho they didn't have digital back then).

The E-Bay coin has a kind of dull shiny quality to it, kind of unreal looking for a coin of that age and genre up against many others I have seen which obviously don't look like that.

Educate us more on this subject please -- photos of silver, copper and gold whizzed coins, please!!

Thanks.

foodude

While I don't have a picture, I have a box of "education" coins I carry to show to show people what not to buy, or at least if they choose to, they'll know what they are buying. It includes a number of AT,and dipped coins, as well as a nicely whizzed Indiain Head Cent. I also have examples of original brillant and NT coins in the box for comparaison. If you see me set up at a show, just ask to see them.

nwcs

That half dime is a good example of a decent whiz. Not as horrifying as some I've seen. Subtle whizzing of coins can be tricky if you aren't looking for it. I remember a barber half that looked magnificent when I was taking the grading class. I thought it was OK. I took a look with a 7x mag and wham! there were the whiz hairlines. Then I compared it to one that wasn't messed with and I learned to recognize the difference.

I recommend the ANA grading class to everyone.

RYK

Here's a sad one...

aem4162

i dunno...i see all these pix and i can't see what i'm supposed to see

dorkkarl

there's a reason why natural luster is called "cartwheel" luster. imagine the wheel of those old stagecoaches. as you know, it has several "spokes" on it. now, look at a coin that has natural luster. a perfect example would be say, a high-grade 1960 washington quarter. tilt it slightly back in forth under a focused light. you will see that the luster "swirls", & you can see that the highlights are like curved "spokes". there should be many such spokes, spinning around on the coin. the slight concavity of the fields is the reason why the spokes "curve". another example is a 1880-s morgan dollar. again, with just a minimum amt. of practice, you can get that coin's spokes of luster to rotate around to where it looks just like a wagon wheel. that's real luster.

now on a whizzed coin, there are not multliple "spokes". you will consistently see two "blobs" of luster on either side of the center of the coin. no matter how you tilt it or how much, it's just the same 2 consistent blobs of luster that keep rotating around, not the multiple "spokes" that you would see on a coin w/ origina luster. on the ebay ntc example, you can perfectly see what i mean, there's a big blob of luster over liberty's head & upper torso, & another blob of "luster" left of the date. if it were real luster, then instead of blobs, you'd see thin spokes of luster in those 2 areas, plus a few additional spokes throughout the rest of the coin.

hope this makes some sense. it really is less complicated than it sounds. once you recognize whizzing, it's like riding a bike, you never forget.

K S

Fairlaneman

Another thing that happens when a coin is whizzed is that metal is displaced from one area to another. Not huge amounts of metal but if you put a glass on the coin you can see small build ups of metal along letter edges and higher portions of the coin. Sometimes this gives a very mushy look to the details of the coin which is different looking than a weakly struck example.

Ken

BigGreek

Here's another whizzer

coinlieutenant

Here is a bit trickier example since this puppy was whizzed a LONG time ago... Really quite a pretty coin. This was a lesson coin for me and WWW...

Notice the luster issues it has. Unfortunately the toning can be kind of tricky. Almost can look like the toning is subduing the luster. The bit of discoloration on the high points is an indicatior too. This was tricky as well since the coin (as evidenced by the extreme die clashing and die cracks) was a very late die state. I thought (wrongly) that the coin maybe had weaker luster in certain areas where the die was crumbling.

The effect of the toning over the whizzing gave an appearance of almost end roll toning on the reverse that was really quite pleasing...

However, when you get down to it, the luster was off and the cartwheels where too thick. That indicator and the wear/discoloration on the high points are sure fire warning signs. This is what I call a "memory coin". The "look" of it is embedded in my brain as to what to look for on a whizzed coin.

It is also a good example that just because a coin is toned, doesnt mean it wasnt whizzed. There was a draped bust half dollar, gorgeous toning, in the superior sale in Santa Clara that was subtley whizzed... and it was in an NGC AU58 holder!!!

CalGold

Sorry but I do not think you can tell a thing from any of these photos. You won't see the cartwheel affect without rotating the coin under a light. This "see those blobs of light" commentary on a scan is nonsense. Luster on MS coins looks like blobs in still photos.

CG

Coppernicus

One of the local dealers here has a swap/auction board and this one guy always has a bunch of "MS" Morgans for sale. They are all whizzed and it is obvious from across the room! The best way I can describe it is they are too uniformly shiny. That is, the devices lack even a hint of frost and blend into the fields. Also, as mentioned above, the cartwheel is too big (wide?) Ever since I saw these Morgans, I think I'm pretty good at spotting a whizzed coin.

Mike