A graded fake?

MorrellMan · April 13, 2004 11:26PM

Who is GMC and what in the world is this? I've never seen a repro of this card that would fool anybody!

The link didn't seem to work - auction # 4124358861 Text

Now it works, now it doesn't, now it......

CON40 · April 13, 2004 11:29PM

morrellman;

I'd love to check that out, but linky no worky!

MorrellMan · April 13, 2004 11:30PM

Con - I posted the item # now

Vargha · April 13, 2004 11:35PM

Link

CON40 · April 13, 2004 11:40PM

1959 Fleer Ted Williams Signs #68

Hopefully my link will work.

First off, with that centering, the card is not a "10"!

But, you're right. This card appears to be fake... the color is a bit too red/brown (and I have a real one to go by), and there appears to be a print pattern called a "moiré" that comes from reproducing 4-color ink dots on press with more ink dots. It is very distracting and obvious and this card seems to have it. You can see it clearly all over the card kinda like looking out a window through a screen.

At first glance, though, the back looks pretty convincing.

My guess would be that it is a very good fake or a highly re-doctored (re-colored?) original.

MorrellMan · April 13, 2004 11:49PM

yeah, this card is the "famous" repro that came out late '70s early '80s (?); this one was a pretty decent fake with a back that looks real, but the front is clearly a picture of a picture. The more recent issue of reprints is even more washed out and the back looks fake too (I think it's white). There's a cottage industry on ebay selling these reprints for like 5 bucks a piece and the earlier "famous" ones have a higher value (??!!) - my concern is that a grading company would slab this card without any kind of note that it's a reprint - and so, I must ask again, who are these people?

packCollector · April 13, 2004 11:57PM

"who are these people?"

let's see , grademycards.com , they are the owners

just like all the fake orr's in asa holders, ONLY BUY CARDS FROM REPUTABLE COMPANIES

CON40 · April 13, 2004 11:57PM

"Who are these people?"

CRIMINALS!

packCollector · April 14, 2004 12:01AM

Keith I will say this seller is not the culprit as he is listing it as a fake. problem is someone is going to buy it and then list it without stating it is a fake and some unknowing collector will buy it. do you know who the seller is, it says their in boston?

CON40 · April 14, 2004 12:32AM

Don't know the seller... I've seen them on eBay occasionally but I have not done business with them and I don't think they have a storefront (unless it's in the 'burbs)...

And my harsh remark was aimed at the grading company. They clearly slabbed this with the intent to defraud... just another PRO from where I stand.

Cubfan · April 14, 2004 12:55AM

It appears as though the auction was pulled as the link noted the item number was invalid.

CON40 · April 14, 2004 12:58AM

It looks like eBay pulled the plug on this one! It was the right thing to do IMO.

MorrellMan · April 14, 2004 1:28AM

mine too

bill7549 · April 14, 2004 6:39AM

Yeah, who the heck is GradeMyCards.com??

Moral of the story....always stick with PSA or SGC or GAI. Of course, that doesn't help the poor newbies out there that get ripped, since they rarely read these boards.

NickM · April 14, 2004 7:51AM

Reproducing Fleer cards without Fleer's consent violates Fleer's copyright and trademarks. Fleer, on the other hand, could reprint (a la Topps Archives) any of its old sets as long as it had the rights from the players depicted to use their likeness in that fashion and from the teams to use their logos in that fashion (and in the case of many of the players in the '60 and '61 sets, who were long deceased at the time, Fleer never needed to pay them anything originally for a right to use their likeness in perpetuity). Team logos that have been abandoned (e.g., Brooklyn Dodgers, Washington Senators) could be used for free without permission in the reprint set too.

Nick

A graded fake?

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