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ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
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I'm sitting here drinking beer with Don Merz. We're looking at this nice Indian and would like some opinions....Ken
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  • JrGMan2004JrGMan2004 Posts: 7,557 ✭
    Pretty... me likes it... image
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  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    how many beers have you guys had?


  • SandhawkSandhawk Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭
    Is it MS-65 Red ???

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  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    how many beers have you guys had?....Not enough!!!
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    .Is it MS-65 Red ???...Don't know! It's raw and headed for PCGS!!! Hoping for MS66!!!!...image
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ME WANT! ME WANT! image
  • joecooljoecool Posts: 527
    Very nice coin, I say MS66RD.....imageimage
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Ugg, Indians good, white man speak with forked tongue. Him be bad.
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  • joeyukjoeyuk Posts: 3,282
    I like it to.image
  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529


    << <i>Is it MS-65 Red ???...Don't know! It's raw and headed for PCGS!!! Hoping for MS66!!!!... >>



    I think i need to change my mailing address to PCGS !!!!!


  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Very nice, I would say 65 or 66 RD.
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  • ToneloverTonelover Posts: 1,554 ✭
    Sorry, but you might want to hold out for the possiblity that PCGS body bags it for altered surfaces. The overall color is too light to be natural and the pinkish hue is a dead giveaway that something's not right. They may slide it through but it's definitely not original. Perhaps it's just the light from your imaging set up but if that's the way it really looks then use caution. Glad everybody else likes it though.
  • MSD61MSD61 Posts: 3,382 ✭
    I think it looks wonderful!!! I think it has a shot at 66 Kenimage
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  • merz2merz2 Posts: 2,474 ✭
    Tonelover
    This coin is original.The lighting is in Ken's dining room above the table.Try to forget the color and look at the luster and strike.If you held it in your hand,I think you'd agree.BTW,it is one I purchased.I think it is a PQ MS65 with a shot at MS66.
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  • CarlWohlforthCarlWohlforth Posts: 11,074 ✭
    I think you guys are having fun and I wish I was there...
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  • RELLARELLA Posts: 961 ✭✭✭
    I also disagree with Tonelover. Looks just fine by me, plus the luster looks great. If it comes back 65RD I wouldn't mind buying it.

    Of course not seeing the coin in person we're all just talkin' smack anyhow. image

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  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    I think this coin will grade 66RD. One tiny obverse spot under the S that is not distracting. The surfaces and luster look terrific. Unless there are some fine hairlines not showing up in the picture, I would expect a grade of 66RD and would be disappointed with a 65RD grade. TomT.
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  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tell Don I grade it $20. image
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  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭
    Hard to tell from the photos, but I find it hard to believe that a copper coin 105 years old could be this bright. Like tonelover, I also suspect it may body-bag @ PCGS. Hope not tho'; it certainly is pretty. image
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  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    Looks like a dead ringer 66 to my eyes.
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Lighting can produce unnatural color, & we all know that scans can be deceptive. Let it go to PCGS anyway, it looks MS 66 RED to me from what I can see, but if Jon is right, you've only lost the grading fee.

    Regardless, its a super coin.

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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Doesn't look messed with to me Don. My guess is that it comes back a 65 even though it deserves a 6.
  • BladeBlade Posts: 1,744 ✭
    Looks MS66 Red to me. Nice color on obverse. Only minor (very minot) distraction is a small toning mark below the lower left of the shield on the reverse. I would be concerned it could turn into a carbon spot. Get that thing slabbed!
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  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's MS 59 and three fourths! image
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  • ccrdragonccrdragon Posts: 2,697 ✭
    If you get anything less than 66RD, you got screwed!!!

    There is only 1 minor distraction - the spot near the shield - and the feather detail, the hair curls and the ribbon are absolutely deserving of a 66!!!
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  • ccrdragonccrdragon Posts: 2,697 ✭
    Definitely at least 65RD. With the feather detail (esp. at the tips) and the hair/ribbon detail it should go 66, but I don't know if the graders will give it a 66.....
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  • GoldfingerGoldfinger Posts: 319 ✭✭
    I think it's fantastic.

    What beer are you drinking?
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Would agree with most of the comments - looks 65R or better. Lighting can hide problems - may have a tick or 2 on the chin and cheek, spotting minimal, nice strike, color nice. The pink is only in the cartwheel and may be a fakeout.

    Have gotten better at grading MS65 vs MS66 IHC's since I figured out how PCGS does it. If, at arms length, it has "the look", it's a 66. If not, 65...imageimage Throw away your loupes, lads!imageimage
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  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    We were drinking Warsteiner!!!....Coin is not cleaned and will, IMO, go MS66 every day of the week.....Ken
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Be sure and let us know how that GEM grades...

    Very nice find...


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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I agree with tonelover that a body bag is in order if the color really looks like it does on my screen but I suspect it's just the picture and if Ken and Merz say it's original and looks 65-66 I agree image. mike
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    << <i>I think you guys are having fun and I wish I was there... >>



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  • Dennis88Dennis88 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭
    Lock 65...

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  • beartracks42beartracks42 Posts: 2,834 ✭
    Ken/Don,

    It looks just as nice as it did on the site, before Don bought it. If Don had not let his intentions known, it probably would live in Ohio now. image Here's hoping it grades 66RD.


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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    ms-66

    K S
  • my3centsmy3cents Posts: 1,411
    Good Luck with PCGS...

    I have sent in several that look that good only for them to come back BB'd for "artificial color".

    I sincerely hope you get one through. image

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  • AACoinCoAACoinCo Posts: 241
    66 shot seven? Let me know what it comes back Ken. What type of Beer?
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  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529
    What about this one ?
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  • merz2merz2 Posts: 2,474 ✭
    Doug
    That one looks nice too.What is with the shields silver color ? Is that the lighting.
    Don
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  • nccoinnccoin Posts: 606
    It is next to impossible to get a red Indian head in a PCGS holder. I am batting far below .500 with my IH submissions.
  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529
  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529


    << <i>That one looks nice too.What is with the shields silver color ? Is that the lighting. >>



    Yes, Lighting anomaly.
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  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    66 shot seven? Let me know what it comes back Ken. What type of Beer? ...Bob, the coin is Dons'. We were drinking Warsteiner!!!.........Ken
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Would agree with most of the comments - looks 65R or better. Lighting can hide problems - may have a tick or 2 on the chin and cheek, spotting minimal, nice strike, color nice. The pink is only in the cartwheel and may be a fakeout.

    Have gotten better at grading MS65 vs MS66 IHC's since I figured out how PCGS does it. If, at arms length, it has "the look", it's a 66. If not, 65...imageimage Throw away your loupes, lads!imageimage >>



    image Tim now that is a classic comment. Don let me know what it grades. Thanks, Mike
  • merz2merz2 Posts: 2,474 ✭
    I am bringing this back to the top to let everyone know that this IHC will be on it's way to PCGS tomorow.Anyone interested can follow it Submission # 3137311.I know you all wish me good luck.imageimage I'll be impatiently waiting it's return.image
    Don
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  • jomjom Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm sitting here drinking beer with Don Merz. We're looking at this nice Indian and would like some opinions... >>



    Opinions, eh? OK...well, beer is good!

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    jom

    PS: Let us know what happens...

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