Has this board run out of things to talk about?

Basilone · April 12, 2004 10:02PM

I think the Joe Orlando = Papa John thread is an all time low point on the set registry board?

Comments?

CON40 · April 12, 2004 10:16PM

At least it was entertaining fluff! Better than the Scott Nelson (sandclot) p!ssing contest with hubcap and highend we endured for 2 weeks!

WinPitcher · April 12, 2004 10:19PM

I agree with Basilone it was a silly thread, at least the sandlot one was entertaining...............

miami3 · April 12, 2004 10:21PM

I agree with you John.

This board should be used to discuss PSA items of importance, not discuss the likeness of the PSA president with other people or to trash talk other grading company's (unless we are trashing PRO) and to educate other collectors in the hobby.

I know that its tough, but lets all try and stick to PSA card issues and topics on this message board.

MorrellMan · April 12, 2004 10:57PM

why I like these boards, listed in order of preference:

1. Informative subjects
2. Comraderie
3. Informative subjects
4. Escapist entertainment
99. Idiotic negativity and bashing

thefootballcardstore · April 12, 2004 11:50PM

As long as cards are being graded, sets are being built, cards are being traded, and people are breathing -
there will be things to talk about.

Jeremy

theplasticman · April 12, 2004 11:51PM

Lets talk about finding me new W. Clark, E. Murray and D. Erstad cards lol

toppsgun · April 13, 2004 12:06AM

John,

Isn't it obvious? This board's gone downhill ever since MW, BOTN and Davalillo got booted. Matter of fact, the end of the hobby as we know it is not yet upon us, but it can be seen from here, since the bootings took place.

Let's all mail our collections to these three guys so,

(a) MW can cross our slabs to SGC
(b) BOTN can feed our slabs to the shredder, or
(c) Davalillo can complete his 100 sets in PSA 8.

Hobby voice of reason,

TG

miami3 · April 13, 2004 12:57AM

TG,

I agree with you, the topics of discussion have gotten a little stale around here lately, how about if we send Jim (Davalillo) a private email and ask him to return to these boards under a new assumed name, kind of like being in the witness protection program.

Maybe he could share with us some more of his "inside information" that he got from "reliable sources" who have been taking Dimitri's cards to Global behind his back.

Jim

ZodiacMindwarp · April 13, 2004 1:16AM

The "Set of the Week" threads that were created last year were very informative but, alas, died off far too early. Downgoesfrazier created an excellent thread recently regarding the 1986 Topps baseball set. If there were more posts of that nature, the less substantial entertainment threads would be greater received. (As a matter of fact, there was a thread comparing Mr. Orlando to the yellow "Wiggle" last November around the same time as a few of the set of the week threads.)

As a devout but admittedly not very educated collector, I find that the times that I can offer informative views are few and far between. If the experts took the initiative to offer insight into the sets they collect, I for one would greatly appreciate it. I will never try to put together a tobacco set or a graded 1986 Topps set for that matter but I truly enjoy reading threads from knowledgable and passionate collectors.

Does anyone want to volunteer to start a brand new "Set of the Week" thread for 2004?

qualitycards · April 13, 2004 1:51AM

To a degree, it is true that we've run out of things to talk about. There is just so many issues that are pertinent to our hobby. And we have discussed just about every facet of the hobby as we see it. I've been aboard for almost 3 years and seen so many threads that I saw before. Be it talking about PRO, or our favorite card set, about low pops, about the smr and so on. Its just the nature of the beast.
We cant talk about politics, world hunger and marital strife. We are supposed to talk about the Set Registry on this forum, so how many new & fresh topics can be started? This is not a knock by any means, its just reality...jay

murcerfan · April 13, 2004 1:56AM

FB · April 13, 2004 2:33AM

I too miss not only the folks listed above - but also the comments of Zardoz, Stump, Doc and a host of others that used to be involved. It seems like when we finally got a bunch of new folks on board - that a lot of the grizzled old veterans have left with a boatload of knowledge and experience.

Yes... the board seems to be getting stale. Yes... it feels like we're covering the same items over and over. Yes... Davalillo was right when he once said that most people on the boards only know about one or two sets (I will readily admit that 72 Topps and OPC are my two and I don't know much about the OPC) And yes... I think that if we want to keep this board going with more than just trivial little subjects - that we're going to have to put some more thought into starting threads of substance. I also believe that we're getting a lot more drama than baseball cards should really be about.

Do I agree with the stance that PSA has taken on a number of the issues over the last couple of years (WIWAG, the Rose, some customer service fiascos, the recent "Delivered" versus "Checked In" date issues) NOT ON YOUR LIFE! I definitely feel that PSA should be MUCH more informative as situations play themselves out. I think that in the long run it would quash a lot of the dumb rumors that fly around. But... that being said, if I walked away and sold of the collection THAT I ENJOY - who the frig at PSA would care???? But, by staying on board - I can still speak my mind (within reason) and hope that someone might someday listen.

ctsoxfan · April 13, 2004 2:45AM

I liked DGF's thread about 1986 baseball also...it allowed me to look at a set I previously gave no respect to in a new light. Topics like that one still surface all of the time here, even if they are mixed in with more trivial posts. There are still a lot of knowledgeable voices here, and plenty of new ones. I wouldn't abandon ship just yet. A lot of "grizzled old veterans" may not be posting anymore, but I have a feeling they will be replaced by a new class of veterans before long.

LateBloomer · April 13, 2004 3:30AM

<< Davalillo was right when he once said that most people on the boards only know about one or two sets >>

Some thoughts on this forum...

1) Who is Davalillo? Why should I care what he says?

2) Being relatively new to the forum and purposely concentrating on only 1 set, doesn't make my collecting experience any less enjoyable than the next guy.

3) No one can assume they know the value or enjoyment an individual collector receives from their collection, whether it be stamps, coins, cards, or what-have-you...

4) I appreciate this forum and find some of the threads very informative. (excluding the "he-said", "they-said", "are-too", "are-not" bickering)

5) Some contributors could give more thought to their input on the boards! (Set the context for your statements and consider using a spell-checker and grammar checker)

6) We'll only get out of this forum what WE put in to it.

Thanks for listening,
Tom

crsportscards33 · April 13, 2004 3:40AM

Meeting people with similar likes is great, but the real reason I'm here is to learn. As some from here already know, I keep a notebook just from this board, documenting the ins and outs of all sets. I might not need this info now, but down the road. It's nice to not only know which are the tough commons, but to know why they are tough and what to look for. These boards are invaluable to people who aren't too good to say they don't know it all. I for one am thankful that this board offers a wide variety of experts from all sets. Knowledge is power. I also think starting a set a week thread again would be a great idea. For those who post about the nuances from your particular sets, I thank you. Keep it coming!!

Chris

FB · April 13, 2004 5:57AM

latebloomer (Tom),

Davalillo has arguably one of the 10 biggest PSA collections in the country including sets from 1887 through the early 90's. Up until recently, he was a regular participant on the boards. Don't remember whether he was banned or whether he walked away himself - but about a year ago, he made that "one to two set" statement and got darned near crucified by a number of other posters. But, after another year has passed - it still holds true that if a thread is about a particular set - that the same folks will post because THAT is where their expertise is.

I personally collect 12 different sets - actively collecting 3 sets - but in reality - Dav was right... I REALLY only understand and study the nuances of the 72 Topps set. And THAT IS ALRIGHT because thats the set that I care most about. I wasn't running down people who only collect one set. I was just stating that by and large - most of us don't have the money, the time or the interest to learn the nuances of much more than one set at a time - let alone the 100+ that he was working on. But, his statement (for those who remember it) was in fact correct.

Unfortunately, because of that... every time we lose someone who collects across many different years and sets and who used to post regularly, our ability to start intelligent and informative threads on them is somewhat diminished.

ctsox,

I also thought the 86 Topps thread was interesting. Its not something that I'd look to build in graded form, but it brings back a flood of memories of opening up the racks and vending boxes to build sets. And at the time - you never even looked at the centering or the corners like we do today.

theBobs · April 13, 2004 6:10AM

Anyone like In and Out Burgers?

koby · April 13, 2004 6:13AM

In and Out Burgers has the most interesting business model. When all other fastfood chains try to diversify, In and Out still has the same three choices (single, double and cheeburger) on its menu. When other fastfood chains are trying to cater to health-concious consumers, In and Out is still thriving with its burgers and fries.

calleocho · April 13, 2004 7:13AM

i actually remember reading a thread about the board running out of things to write about.

about 8 months ago

Scumbi · April 13, 2004 7:28AM

I'm new so I don't know which issues have been covered, but I assume after a number of years everything has been rehashed to death. The one thing I do think could alter this board is a real trading site. We pretty much know what cards our fellow posters are collecting. We all know PSA graded cards are our main pursuit due to the set registry. If we worked together and people really tried to help each other, we might be able to finish each other's sets. Long wantlists are a bore and Ebay probably commands the highest price, but this site connection is a strong force when it comes to all cards. Somewhere in our collection we have something that would make someone else happy as hell. Likewise, someone else has something we've been dying to find. I read about these OBC guys, but that seems like some kind of Freemason Society with reference letters and naked rituals with goats. Maybe we can all find a way to better each other's collections. We could put someone like Jay Wolt (Seems like he's totally trustworthy) on a traders' court and let him review trades and act as a middle man for a small fee so noboby gets a redwood in their red-veined rump. I know this is all a bit rough and I'm not known for totally coherent thought and good hygiene, but some of the guys who post stats seem to really be on the ball. Maybe we post partial inventories, help others and find those cards that make us nuts. I just don't know how to get around the SMR which seems largely inaccurate.

Has this ever been tried? The trading part of this site doesn't generate much traffic.

Just a suggestion from a man with a head of lice.

Scumbi

1954 · April 13, 2004 7:34AM

This board ran out of things to talk about long before Davilillo and BOTN left.
This board is a popularity contest and bashing of collectors and other grading companies. It will only get worse.
What we need to do is start a thread each week thanking our friends and family. Every once in a while we can do a top 10 dealer list. Then we can go back to discussing what is wrong with PSA. Then the next topic can be about how you are quitting this board and never to return.

It is old hat.

1954

toppsgun · April 13, 2004 8:02AM

" that seems like some kind of Freemason Society with reference letters and naked rituals with goats."

Where do I sign up?

jaybyrd · April 13, 2004 8:12AM

Personally I enjoy the soap opera threads -' he said this - no I didn't threads.' The boards would be even more boring if all that was talked about was 'I like this card - which card do you like.' The most important part of the board is to pass on info to people that might not be as well educated, but their is also a place for the entertaining 'fluff' threads.

Have you noticed how the vintage board is now just a posting place for people to tell you what cards they have for sale. I am willing to bet most people would rather read an entertaining thread than 'I have just posted some 74 commons.'

CW · April 13, 2004 8:17AM

<< I think the Joe Orlando = Papa John thread is an all time low point on the set registry board?

Comments? >>

Why, because it was off-topic, or because it was insulting to Joe?
I think that "all time low point" is an exaggeration, especially when
you consider all the negative posts and flame wars that have gone on
in the past. The Joe = Papa thread was lighthearted, and it wasn't
intended as a slam at Joe. Sure, it wasn't 100% related to the Registry,
and it won't win Thread of the Month, but I thought wolfbear made it
amusing by posting the images of Joe and the owner of Papa John's.

Tom made a good point with:
>> 6) We'll only get out of this forum what WE put in to it.

I obviously can't include you with this comment, Basilone, because you've
made great contributions to this forum, but I find it funny how some
people will complain about boring or off-topic threads, yet they rarely
(if ever) contribute a new topic to discuss. I dunno, maybe the few
threads that I've started have been dull, but I try. We can also look
at the positive, too. For example just a couple weeks ago, the
sportscard forum had what I believed to be the all-time high point
in its history when we did a small favor for Kyle Carpenter.

Personally, I try not to take messageboards too seriously. I read a
couple other non-card related boards, and they all go through the same
cycles as this one. As calleocho pointed out, even this topic has been
discussed before.

67standup · April 13, 2004 8:32AM

<< Anyone like In and Out Burgers? >>

So far, they are the best burgers I've ever tasted. I agree about their sound business model, no chicken on the menu in the near future. However, diversification isn't a bad thing when the public's taste changes. The next mad cow scare will not be good for In-n-Out.

Oh, in regard to The Registry topics, anyone remember the Wade Boggs cookbook?

Not good enough? How about a juicy thread on modern vs. vintage?

Seriously, how about which player card has fallen the furthest from grace? For example, 1975 Topps Lynn and Rice come to mind.

murcerfan · April 13, 2004 8:43AM

The beatings shall continue until morale improves.

scottsusor · April 13, 2004 8:51AM

I started some threads that I thought would be interesting, and judging by the follow-ups they must have been at least SOMEWHAT interesting ...

Then a few people (who I won't name) decided that I had created at least one thread that they view as being about a subject that had been "beaten to death."

I learned my lesson ... No more new threads started by me. I'll toss in a comment once in a while, but as for new threads and new ideas, FORGET IT.

Scott

theBobs · April 13, 2004 8:52AM

two years ago, this board was used 99% of the time to discuss the set registry and personal insults. probably only had 4 or 5 new threads a day, and they were generally meaningful, entertaining, or both.

now this board is used to discuss nearly anything associated with selling stuff, baseball, and personal insults. probably have 20+ new threads a day...

onegaucho · April 13, 2004 9:01AM

67standup:
In-n-out burgers are the best! Did you hear that Phil Mickelson mentioned them in his post-Masters interview?

And how about the Tony Gwynn cookbook! Some interesting items in that 1984 Padres team cookbook....

magellan · April 13, 2004 9:05AM

<< 

<< I think the Joe Orlando = Papa John thread is an all time low point on the set registry board?

Comments? >>

Why, because it was off-topic, or because it was insulting to Joe?
I think that "all time low point" is an exaggeration, especially when
you consider all the negative posts and flame wars that have gone on
in the past. The Joe = Papa thread was lighthearted, and it wasn't
intended as a slam at Joe. Sure, it wasn't 100% related to the Registry,
and it won't win Thread of the Month, but I thought wolfbear made it
amusing by posting the images of Joe and the owner of Papa John's.

Tom made a good point with:
>> 6) We'll only get out of this forum what WE put in to it.

I obviously can't include you with this comment, Basilone, because you've
made great contributions to this forum, but I find it funny how some
people will complain about boring or off-topic threads, yet they rarely
(if ever) contribute a new topic to discuss. I dunno, maybe the few
threads that I've started have been dull, but I try. We can also look
at the positive, too. For example just a couple weeks ago, the
sportscard forum had what I believed to be the all-time high point
in its history when we did a small favor for Kyle Carpenter.

Personally, I try not to take messageboards too seriously. I read a
couple other non-card related boards, and they all go through the same
cycles as this one. As calleocho pointed out, even this topic has been
discussed before. >>

Very well said CW. I returned from my cousin's funeral this afternoon, he was healthy as a horse 2 weeks ago, admitted to the hospital & diagnosed with leukemia a short 10 days ago and passed away Thursday night. My point is that the topics on this board are not life & death. I enjoy some of the threads immensely but a light hearted one here & there hurts no one and certainly is better than the high drama of board participants bickering about a card or cards or PSA vs some other company.

I normally will stay out of discussions such as these but just had to point out what the relative importance of this topic is to life in general.

Dave

Wayne8348 · April 13, 2004 11:02AM

Calleocho, Thanks for the link - I guess I was guilty of starting that last thread 8 months ago.

Not much has changed for the positive over the past 8 months. I think that the Bobs is correct in that we have a lot of new subjects every day. I rarely read all of the posts anymore whereas a couple of years ago I never missed any of the posts. I think the vast majority of the people want more discussions about cards without the personal attacks for those with differing opinions. Why doesn't that happen - I have no idea.

Scott said that he won't start new threads because he was criticized in starting a thread not too long ago and that is exactly what hurts this board. Scott, you should feel free to start threads about collecting whenever you want. If it's old news to someone else then they should skip over it and not attack you for posting a card related topic.

Shane, you may be right but I hope not. If these boards have truly run their course, then I hope that all that's left is more than just bickering and bashing.

I know that we have lost a lot of the regulars from 2 years ago because of all of the negativity. I hope that this group comes up with some good answers because I'm not sure what to do.

Wayne

mariner · April 13, 2004 11:39AM

I think there is new blood out there. I, myself, have only been on the boards since late last year but I am enjoying the dialogue. Granted, there has been a lot of negativity, but we all can do something about that. There also have been some great threads and posts.

KING KELLOGG · April 13, 2004 12:05PM

Scumbi....

Your writing style seems......mmm....aghhh.................familiar.........

Have you been here before???????

Larry

Tipem · April 13, 2004 12:08PM

I started a thread about "user" names and what they stood for. I can't pull it back up and have wanted to on numerous occasions.Can someone go into the archives and TTT it for me.It seems that there are quite a few new names and it would probably garner at least 50 more responses.

Thanks,
Vic

goodriddance189 · April 13, 2004 12:12PM

Vic,

i loved that thread. it was called "what's in a (user) name?"....cant find it though

Tipem · April 13, 2004 12:16PM

Good....

That's the thread.I thought it was a classic.I can't find it either

It really was cool to see what was behind many of the guys names.I wish that I could locate it.

Vic

FB · April 13, 2004 8:52PM

Vic,

Maybe it was offensive and had to be pulled!

Scott,

If everyone on this board backed off when one dork doesn't like what we say - then there would be one dork left on this board (instead of the many dozens we have right now!) If you feel self-conscious about it - then start one thread a day or a week or something. But, don't give it up - we need food for thought!

Zodiac,

I think the Set of the Week threads were great and informative. I miss them too...

CW · April 13, 2004 9:49PM

<< If everyone on this board backed off when one dork doesn't like what we say - then there would be one dork left on this board <snip> >>

C'mon, now, let's leave Vargha out of this!

67standup asked:
>> Seriously, how about which player card has fallen the furthest from grace?

I'd pick either the OJ Simpson RC, or the '84 Topps Darryl Strawberry
(although the Strawberry wasn't in grace for too long).

gaspipe26 · April 13, 2004 11:33PM

I dont post a whole lot, but MW, and BOTN, I dont know what they did to get booted but I know from reading a few threads at SGC that they are big time PSA bashers. In fact 1 of them bashes 2 guys I consider friends and in my opinion stand up collectors at the bottom of every post he makes. Sorry but hes got issues other than problems with PSA. I always thought MW was a pretty honest dealer and I have no reason to think otherwise. What his issues with PSA are I dont know and dont want to know. As for the other people booted, I thought 1 was nothing but a selfcentered troublemaker with a "I" complex and truly dont miss him. I really didnt get much from his posts, or if he did make a point , it was overlooked while I passed over the spewing. If I was PSA, I would of booted him a whole lot earlier. Go over to the other site, its comical. Almost every thread is dominated by a handful of collectors that do nothing but complain about PSA. I dont see anything informative going on there either. Just alot of moaning and whining, but they still have there PSA cards. Go figure. Lets be honest, its because of PSA that we get the prices (or pay) the prices we have today. Some of us have alot of scratch invested in those holders. We all should be working to keep this hobby at a high level.

67standup · April 14, 2004 1:39AM

<< 67standup asked:
>> Seriously, how about which player card has fallen the furthest from grace?

I'd pick either the OJ Simpson RC, or the '84 Topps Darryl Strawberry
(although the Strawberry wasn't in grace for too long). >>

Good one on the Straw That Stirs the Drink, 1985 Gooden too. 1984 Mattingly still has a folllowing. Remember when the 1972 Garvey and Carew were much sought after high numbers? The price was about $35 for each card back in 1981, not a very good investment. How about that rare 1979 Bump Wills error card?

interchanges · April 14, 2004 3:29AM

Not enough fun stuff going on?

Hop on over to the "metal detecting" forum. No there's a fun bunch!

PlayBall · April 14, 2004 11:43AM

I think it is all about perspective. When I joined these boards 2 years ago, I thought this board was very stale. It was very informative and I learned alot, but there were only five topics. Those five topics were 1965 Topps, 1969 Topps, 1972 Topps, 1970 Kellogg's, and 1964 Topps Giants (honorable mention to Vargha's 1951 Bowman set). None of which I had any kind of intimate interest in. It was tough to join in because I didn't have anything of value to add, I wasn't as "one-line-savvy" as Vargha, and nobody collected the set I did.

I definitely agree that the personal attacks are unnecessary, but they have always been a part of this board (in varying degrees) since I have been here. I for one, do not want to see the boards go back to the 3 or 4 repetitive topics a day. Although I won't be able to add much value, I like to here about regional sets, 80's sets, pre-war sets, player sets, and all sets in between.

Everyone should feel free to start threads about sets that interest them, including personal experience, general knowledge, history, positive stories about fellow collectors, current trends, and a few pictures never hurt. Even if you don't get many or any responses, it's not because other board members don't appreciate the insight, rather many of us are just quietly learning.

My 0.02