1972 topps psa 8 #693 alan gallagher $236.23

highend

item 4122130394. easily one of the most difficult cards in the set. i really wanted this one.

two questions-

1- what would a psa 9 go for?

2-does anyone have another for sale?

mikeschmidt

<< <i>item 4122130394. easily one of the most difficult cards in the set. i really wanted this one.

two questions-

1- what would a psa 9 go for?

2-does anyone have another for sale? >>




FWIW:

I have often found that low population PSA 8s do not yield high multiples in PSA 9. The most noted example I can think of in recent memory is the 1955 Bowman #2 Al Dark card. At the time, a 1/5 PSA 8 sold for approximately $650 in a private sale. Two months prior, when the card was Pop. 4 in PSA 8, the 1/1 PSA 9 sold for approximately $800-. So it really depends on the situation - but my experience is that the high values are in the low population PSA 8s, with very little multiple paid upon PSA 8 price for a 9 or a 10.

mcastaldi

Jim> I really feel the price for the Gallagher was a fluke. You just happened to find someone who bid foolishly and placed a ridiculous bid way too early. The winner is a serious Giants collector and had he put in a snipe instead of his early bid, I'm confident the hammer price would have been dramatically lower. Your bids easily put an extra $100 in DevilDog's pocket.

Also, the Gallagher isn't easy but it's probably not in the top ten toughest cards anymore. Fourteen PSA8s and three 9s.

Mike

gemint

Marc,

You really have a point with your post. Although PSA 9's are much more desireable, there are many more collectors trying to build a PSA 8 or better set than there are people crazy enough to attempt a PSA 9 or better set. Therefore, the premium for a 9 on a card with a low pop 8 will usually not sell for anything close to 5x. If the PSA 8 is solid and nicely centered, it will and should bring in a high percentage of what a PSA 9 version would pull.

scottsusor

This again?

The #693 Gallagher card is approximately the 23rd toughest to find in PSA 8 or higher, according to my research list (which is about a month old right now). My list shows 12 PSA 8's and 3 PSA 9's (but that may have changed in the past month).

As I've said before, everything I've researched and projected says that $200 is the benchmark, more or less, for "low pop vintage commons." Beyond $200, its going to be determined by market conditions at the time or sale. Now, that doesn't mean that such a card will never sell for BELOW $200. Again, market forces are always at work. However, all things being equal, an average price of around $200 on these cards should not be surprising to anybody.

Scott

highend

i really wanted this card because i felt it may be one of the cards that will elude me down the road. the way i see it is that since i'm putting together a set of 8's and 9's there are 15-20 cards that are truly tough in EITHER grade , i count the gallagher as one of them.

the real kicker is that i bid up to 176.00, my wife (god bless her) saw/ heard my frustration and after i left for work she placed the last three bids and yes, she was going to pay for it too!!

i'm prone to superstition and this has every indication of a bad omen , regardless of anything else, i think card 693 will be one of the last cards i need to complete my set.

thanks to all for the INVALUABLE input, despite the naysayers opinions these boards are great!!

FB

Jim,

I hope this helps - casue when I bought my Gallagher PSA 9 as a 1/1 about 2 years ago - it was $96 on eBay. I can still remember Steve Pekovich grumbling on that one!

But all in all, this one will never stand in the same company as the Schaal IA, Grote or Garrett. I have submitted 3 of the PSA 8's.

Mike is right - Eric Bergen (brg21) is a HUGE Giants card collecter and can be a thorn in your side when you go after those cards because his bids are SOOOO high. He did the same thing to both me and EO when we bid on a Dick Dietz IA in PSA 9. BRG21 won it at $226. Then a week later - Eric won one at $140+. Now I'm waiting for mine...

Also - if you look at the bidding - if you took brg21 out of the bidding - you would have won the card for $94.48. Next one that comes up will probably go that way.

Lastly... there are a TON of invoices still sitting at PSA awaiting grading for the February 1972 to present grading special. Heck... I even know of one invoice that was checked in on 3/16 that I am SURE has a #693 Gallagher on it. Hopefully, that one comes back as an 8. And if it does... I'm sure that something can be worked out with the owner...

miami3

Frank,

I dont know if you have the #478 Checklist in PSA 10, but I just listed one on ebay Sunday with a bunch of other PSA 9 cards from 1972.

Sorry for the SPAM guys, but the discussion was there for the taking.

Regards,

Jim

highend

frank- thanks, i'll keep my fingers crossed and if i didn't have to wear shoes i'd cross my toes as well....jim

mcastaldi

Jim> I have a few cards going to PSA this weekend. There's a McRae IA that is really nice. . .and a Wayne Garret that should make an 8. I'll let you know how they turn out.

Mike

FB

Jim,

Appreciate the mention on the #478 Checklist - but yes... I have that one.

Other Jim,

Its probably a crap shoot when it comes to the Gallagher. There are certain cards that I will send in that MIGHT NOT be dead lock 8's in my mind. But, they're worth the gamble to see if I get the 8. This last invoice included a Gallagher, Grote and an Expos Team. I think that they were all close - but they went out a month ago and I really don't remember. So - I have my fingers crossed too.