<< <i>PS- at least there's the standard "I am not an expert" caveat. >>
Yes, but he claims that his grandfather was a collector who kept his rare coins in a jar!
THIS WAS IN MY GRANDADS COIN COLLECTION AS HE WAS A COLLECTOR, I BELIVE THIS TO BE UNC; WITH SLIGHT MARKS OF WHERE ITS BEEN KEPT IN A JAR AMONGST OTHER COINS
The underbidder buys pennies and a few crowns off me so I told him via email and he has been warned by two other ebayers that it is a farthing. He said that the seller insisted that the diameter was 34mm (ie penny size).
It's a farthing, sports fans. You can tell immediately by the reverse. The rose/thistle/shamrock motif fills most of the exergue whereas on the penny there's a lot more space. Also the distance between the back of the helmet and the R: of BRITANNIAR. Very close on the penny but a definite gap with the farthing. Even the shield - it just looks like a farthing shield.
I should have told him to ask for a scan of the coin next to a one-pence piece or something.
Here they go again . And watch the milburn bidder. Milburn was the name of a very famous Newcastle footballer in the old days. The location of the coin is around that area. They have also bid with the same seller, namely razznem but I don't know about him. They also now now that they can bid at least £600.
EDIT TO ADD: I forgot to mention that razznem is located in the same area, NE UK.
<< <i>Has anyone contacted jwsnoops about this? This coin is maybe worth £20 but probably less given it was in a jar. >>
Yes I contacted him but haven't had a reply. The reason I did this was because I now know he's ok - he bought from me before.
I might as well add that you may think that there are a lot of common factors for coin bidders so why shouldn't they have bid with the same people - the thing is that one of the sales was for a lighter or camera or something - check it out.
Wouldn't it be interesting if someone bid and then retracted with the explanation "this auction is fraudulent?" Would probably cost them their ebay ID though.
<< <i>Wouldn't it be interesting if someone bid and then retracted with the explanation "this auction is fraudulent?" Would probably cost them their ebay ID though. >>
eBay got tired of this and limited the number of reasons the retractor could cite -- and fraud was somehow left off the list. "Seller changed the description" is the closest you can get.
By way of comarison, here are the proof penny and farthing together.
A genuine 1839 proof penny. Sorry, it is still an old scan.
I am still seeking an acceptable 1839 farthing example and had to settle for this $1 bargain bin piece until one avails itself:
In addition to Lloyd's tutorial on how to identify the farthing, notice the size and shape of the lettering on the farthing. The date style is also a dead giveaway. Finally, look at the hair lock below the bun. There are two curls on the farthing and three on the penny.
That's right,......... the lettering is the initial give-away I suppose - the farthing sets the lettering into a smaller space so is thick and small and therefore more obscure. It's funny that you can see it immediately but it's hard to describe.
I note the high bidder is a penny collector - bet he tells his friend he's an expert...
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PS- at least there's the standard "I am not an expert" caveat.
Give the guy a little credit- he got one thing right... the date!
Oh, yeah, and the Queen's name, too.
<< <i>PS- at least there's the standard "I am not an expert" caveat. >>
Yes, but he claims that his grandfather was a collector who kept his rare coins in a jar!
THIS WAS IN MY GRANDADS COIN COLLECTION AS HE WAS A COLLECTOR, I BELIVE THIS TO BE UNC; WITH SLIGHT MARKS OF WHERE ITS BEEN KEPT IN A JAR AMONGST OTHER COINS
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It's a farthing, sports fans. You can tell immediately by the reverse. The rose/thistle/shamrock motif fills most of the exergue whereas on the penny there's a lot more space. Also the distance between the back of the helmet and the R: of BRITANNIAR. Very close on the penny but a definite gap with the farthing. Even the shield - it just looks like a farthing shield.
I should have told him to ask for a scan of the coin next to a one-pence piece or something.
L
That tells me all I need to know.
EDIT TO ADD: I forgot to mention that razznem is located in the same area, NE UK.
I ought to work for MI6
L
<< <i>Has anyone contacted jwsnoops about this? This coin is maybe worth £20 but probably less given it was in a jar.
Yes I contacted him but haven't had a reply. The reason I did this was because I now know he's ok - he bought from me before.
I might as well add that you may think that there are a lot of common factors for coin bidders so why shouldn't they have bid with the same people - the thing is that one of the sales was for a lighter or camera or something - check it out.
L
<< <i>Wouldn't it be interesting if someone bid and then retracted with the explanation "this auction is fraudulent?" Would probably cost them their ebay ID though. >>
eBay got tired of this and limited the number of reasons the retractor could cite -- and fraud was somehow left off the list. "Seller changed the description" is the closest you can get.
Come on over ... to The Dark Side!
L
A genuine 1839 proof penny. Sorry, it is still an old scan.
I am still seeking an acceptable 1839 farthing example and had to settle for this $1 bargain bin piece until one avails itself:
In addition to Lloyd's tutorial on how to identify the farthing, notice the size and shape of the lettering on the farthing. The date style is also a dead giveaway. Finally, look at the hair lock below the bun. There are two curls on the farthing and three on the penny.
I note the high bidder is a penny collector - bet he tells his friend he's an expert...
L
Send him to this thread and to my Brit Tip I just posted.
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