Bonds v. Good Pitchers
joestalin
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Clemens made him look foolish, and Wells took care of him tonight...when is the next time he faces
Roy Oswalt, the record awaits!
JS
Roy Oswalt, the record awaits!
JS
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You don't fool Bonds forever - let's see the next go around and then reevaluate.
Mike
Grow up and smell a clue Joe.
BOTR
has to do? I don't remember Soriano falling on his wallet in game 6 of the world series? Ask Sid
Bream about defense!
Do you really want to talk about Bones and defense???LOL I think you better back up and try another
route.....the Ted Williams comparisons don't look that bad..oh wait, yeah they do!
Nevermind
JS
<< <i> I don't remember Soriano falling on his wallet in game 6 of the world series >>
I can't dispute that but if we are looking at his career which would be more productive with respect to evaluating him - yes, 2nd base, SS vs. OF - apples and oranges - but w/respect to OF'ers - what does Bonds have? Like 8 gold gloves? Or, respectfully, am I off base with what you are tryin to say?
Mike
Go back to discussing your Topps Heritage stuff; you don't seem like such a fool there.
When you talk about Bonds, etc., your frothing at the mouth and intelligence run parallel to each other, flying under the radar screen and into the side of a mountain.
BOTR
<< <i> I don't remember Soriano falling on his wallet in game 6 of the world series? Ask Sid
Bream about defense!
Do you really want to talk about Bones and defense???LOL I think you better back up and try another
route.....the Ted Williams comparisons don't look that bad..oh wait, yeah they do!
Nevermind
JS >>
Yeah, but I don't remember Bonds getting benched in the World Series like Soriano did last year. And when he did play, he was horrible!!!
TheRoach
errors, he only has one more than Jeter this year...a we going to call Jeter a liablity at SS? There hasn't
been anyone in the majors who has come close to 40/40 since....well you know who
Why do we bring up homers when we are talking about defense? Why do we bring up gold gloves when
he has made several of the biggest fielding errors, losing his team a NLCS and a world series? Why
do we bring up Ruth, Mays and Aaron when he doesn't have more homers than any of them?
Why are we afraid to say that without roids Bonds is just another Fred McGriff or Palmeiro...well
without the nice guy thing.
Will there still be Bonds fans here when he test positve for roids or breaks down like they all do?
Im betting not.
JS
<< <i>...a we going to call Jeter a liablity at SS?
JS >>
By most objective analysis, Jeter is a liability at SS.
You cannot compare his accomplishments, steriods or not, with the greats of history.
I saw a mention to Ted Williams in this thread. How about we send Barry Bonds for a couple of tours of duty as a fighter pilot protecting our country in the prime of his career and see how he makes out.
OK, Bonds is now the single season home run king. The year Ruth hit 60 - he hit more home runs than the sum of the rest of the TEAMS in the league combined (ex the Yanks - Gehrig hit 47). And oh, by the way, Ruth had to take trains to all his games. And, also by the way, Ruth has World Series wins as a pitcher.
Speaking of Gehrig - the man died at age 37. Although it is unfortunate that his disease is yet uncured - what kind of numbers would he have put up if he was still playing in good health at over 40 years of age.
Bonds loves to play the race card BS. Would love to see how he would have faired when subjected to what Jackie Robinson went through. Or for that matter, what Hank Aaron and Willie Mays still had to go through. For that matter, Hank Greenberg not only served our country in the prime of his career, but was doused with similar predudice for being a jew.
Bottom line, Bonds has great stats. There is more than stats to baseball. It is an American institution. Keep mention to him as a great player to modern discussion. I must say though, any comparision to Soriano is nuts. Everyone has his number now.
Now off my soap box.
My 1955 Topps Set
back Bonds v Ted Williams comparing them at bat to at bat....Bonds wasn't even in the same
neighborhood.
JS
NOT TAKING ANY SIDES HERE BUT THAT IS A QUOTE THAT ALWAYS MADE ME THINK!!! Do we actually think RUTH would be pitching in games today!! H#ll no!!! Since ruth was pitching back then, then pitching was week. Sorry for all the Ruth people here ( i love the legends as much as anybody) but ruth would'nt get a start these days.
Fact is i hate Bonds(never met the guy so hate is a bad word here) but he is the best player steroids or not(we have no idea when they started or who took them) to have played the game!
You make a good point but heck you just jumped on the JS 'runaway train' - I did a search and this has been going on at least two years - so I'm just on for the ride and enjoying the view.
Mike
Ruths lifetime pitching stats:
94W-46L .671, 1,221 innings pitched, 488 SO, 2.28 ERA.
Led league in ERA 1916 - 1.75
WS Record 2-0, .87 ERA
So flip it over - what kind of offensive statistics would Ruth have ended his career with if he had not spent the bulk of five years of his career (1914-1919) as a pitcher rather than an every day player? He hit 49 home runs in those five years. In the remaining 15 years of his career he averaged 44 home runs per year.
Sorry Nathan, the train keeps on rollin'.
How is your Noles doing in baseball? I saw they just got ripped apart by *GASP*, The Hurricanes! Another reason the ACC is the weakest all around conference in sports.
Maybe when Miami, VA Tech and BC start playing for the ACC you'll have something to talk about, for now the Big East is the Big Beast in every sports conference.
As for Bonds and Soriano, he got benched in last years series and then shipped out of town to the Rangers, that's all I need to know to understand that Soriano is not thought off very highly in the baseball world.
<< <i>Soriano, he got benched in last years series and then shipped out of town to the Rangers, that's all I need to know to understand that Soriano is not thought off very highly in the baseball world. >>
Glenn
I'm not one to make any direct comparisons about Bonds v. Soriano. But Soriano, IMO, is a world class athlete that is suffering from being 'moved' and possibly moved again - his numbers so far this season don't look that bad and as it goes for the last two years, he has batted nearly 300, with 77 HR's and 76 SB's - this is a true 40/40 calibre player. His fielding % is respectible considering the guy can just about play anywhere in the field. His slugging % and on base % of about 540 for the past two seasons is also good. On the right team - this guy is an impact player, again IMO. And as it goes for Bonds, I don't like the guy and didn't when he was with Pittsburg - but personality and possible enhancers, not withstanding, I think he is a total player careerwise and guys like Bonds only come around every so often.
Mike