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Another card scammer - unklbnz - at work, just watch!
ctsoxfan
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I saw this on another board, and think that this might help expose another card trimmer / scammer...lets watch and see how this # Lebron card fares when it inevitably winds up back on Ebay in a few weeks. This seller is known for always selling BGS 9.5 / 10's and PSA 10's of questionable origin.
This is note worthy because the seller states the card has a rough lower left hand edge...now, that is.
Lebron Pre-Trim
This is note worthy because the seller states the card has a rough lower left hand edge...now, that is.
Lebron Pre-Trim
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I can just picture these guys drawing these doodles on these cards and laughing their butts off.
Loves me some shiny!
This guy is known as a crook, you're right.
TheRoach
469 / 500
Thought I'd stick it in the thread because I bet the image will be gone from the link when this card resurfaces in 30 days!
Tishen95 is now NARU. I don't know if this is temporary or permanent. I wonder why? He'll probably be back with another ebay ID.
Steve (Tishen95) already has a new userid, it's kkoenig75 . He and Koenig have been partners for at least a year now, can't verify before that.
Does anyone know the deal with ebay id kardsharks? I don;t know anything about the seller aside from the fact that they probably have 90% of the BGS 10 2002 Prospect Premieres despite grading maybe a total of 5% of the population for the set.
As for the BGS debacle, it doesn't even matter, now all of the trimmers are switching to PSA and getting away with it. Koenig/Tishen only had 2 evidence of trimming from their last PSA submission and got some PSA 10's on near impossible cards like 98 Leaf RS Glaus, 02 Elite LaRoche, and a few tough LeBron's. The sky is falling, the sky is falling....
Jason
Our current ebay auctions, and of course BaseBallCardHeaven.com
KardSharks has every BGS 10 card imaginable. At first, I thought "Man these guys rock!", but once all of the trimming stuff came about, al signs pointed at them. I just did a look at all of the cards they have on Ebay right now. It's simply ridiculous. Out of about 60 cards, they had only about 3-4 9's. The rest were all BGS 9.5's and 10's, or PSA 10's.
I know some will say that just because anyone has that many excellent grades, it doesn't make them a crook. Well, some people out here may actually have a collection of 20-30 GEM MINT cards that they dished out lots of $$$ to get over several years, but these type of sellers make a career out of it. Once the 60-70 cards they have listed, sell - another 50-60 of the same type cards will pop up. They keep generating these type grades when the average person nearly $hits themselves when they get ONE of these grades back in any submission. It's bull$hit and it will definitely cause this hobby to come crashing down one day soon. At least the graded portion.
It makes me sick when I think about what these companies have "created". Card companies claim that there are so many more BGS 9.5's and 10's out there now because they come out of packs this way these days. That may be true, but peopel will still have them graded as long as they know they could take that very same $20 card and turn it into a $400 card instantly by someone stamping it "Pristine".
I used to love it, but now I think there is more dishonesty, swindling, and scheming going on than ever. Anytime there is the potential to make/gain thousands of $$$ on anything, the loser/criminals start coming out of the woodwork.
TheRoach
Its official... That card is now a bgs 9.5
Another Lebron card to watch
First, he buys the card on Mar 26. Then, he lists his inevitable BGS 9.5 on April 8. 13 days later! From the original seller, to the cutting room, to Beckett, back to unklbnz, then to Ebay! How do you like that! (How do you do that?)
But, what can we do about this? I would to see him get stuck with this card, but short of emailing everyone who bids on this card and telling them this story, he is going to get away with it again...and no one cares in BGS land. You would think that this would be the equivalent of catching a thief red-handed...but I don't know how to hang him now. Any suggestions?
It's a 9.5, but is that the same card? I can't see the
serial #, and he doesn't specify what it is exactly out of the 500.
If it is indeed the "exact" same card; that was lightning fast
send in/slab/on ebay.
Eagle
I sold a few cards to unklbnz over the years and did well on our last deal but always wondered why my PSA 9's or BGS 9's were ending up as Gem Mints. Dealers like this have been around for awhile now and will continue to grow when they make huge profits from buying raw and getting basically any grade they want.
I can't see the #/500 because the scan is too small, and he never says what it is in his description.
Eagle
I'm glad I don't buy any BGS cards or send to them anymore. I sold all my BGS stuff and no longer have any affiliation with their product or magazine.
Eagle
Before....
Wade #03/10 PSA 9
After the dealer submits it.....
Wade #03/10 PSA 10
Same freaking card.....different person submitting (this guy sends cards in with express service)...low and behold it moves a grade. Please don't even bother saying this is a modern card and it can be boarderline etc. This guy has done this crap over and over. I sold him quite a few Mint cards and all of them flipped to Gem Mints except a card that was too thick to alter (1998 SPX basketball).
Do you still collect Chris Bosh cards? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Back on topic the real topic Ranch (stop stalking me on every freaking thread!).....I'm talking about Cards here and how BGS and PSA let @holes like unklbnz make $$$ by pulling off scams like this.
Ranch...do I even have to bother with you.....just look at the guy dunking under the CB4.....going to be an allstar...write it down ranch because I will be reminding you when he does!
It's not that uncommon. I've resubmitted 9s (should of been a 10 in the first place), and about 50% of the time it came back a 10.
If this guy is that good of a trimmer; the 9 might of had a spec of white (something very miniscule on corners) that he can slice off. Or slightly rough edges.....not a problem for the Ronco Super Duper Slicer. Centering doesn't seem to be a problem as it's a borderless card.
Man, this is making me sick. I'm gonna get rid of everything and just play video games.
Eagle
<< <i>Hey for all you guys who think this is only a BGS thing...check this out....
Before....
Wade #03/10 PSA 9
After the dealer submits it.....
Wade #03/10 PSA 10
Same freaking card.....different person submitting (this guy sends cards in with express service)...low and behold it moves a grade. Please don't even bother saying this is a modern card and it can be boarderline etc. This guy has done this crap over and over. I sold him quite a few Mint cards and all of them flipped to Gem Mints except a card that was too thick to alter (1998 SPX basketball). >>
VC, seller's probably in this board. Seller ended the auction early.
Nice detective work, Alex...let's hope this guy doesn't come after you now...
Trimmed cards graded by PSA: Network 54 forum
Numerous grading companies rightfully are bashed for grading trimmed cards. I fully understand that any grading company can occasionally miss one, but it seems based on these threads that it's somehow happening a little more routinely for certain sellers doing business with PSA than any of us would like to admit.
If PSA has addressed this somewhere, can someone please point me to the thread? Thanks
This just reinforces some deep seated fears I've always had with the card grading companies. At worst, we're looking at a very sinister connection between the graders and submitters who buy raw cards, dice'em up and get back 'gem mint' beauties. At best, the graders are incapable of spotting trimmed cards and in the process, subsidizing the fraudulent card doctors.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
What will he do with it now?
But what ticks me off about these grading companies is that once someone establishes a HISTORY of submitting trimmed cards, their account should be flagged and ALL of their cards should be inspected by top graders. If all or most of their trimmed cards were rejected, they'd move on to some other grading company.
<< <i>It took 14 days to get from original seller back to ebay in a 9.5 grade. That's 11 mailing days if you count the day he made the purchase online. The card was orginally in Minnesota. It then had to get to the questioned seller in Orange County, Calif. From there it had to get to Beckett in Dallas and back to California. That just doesn't add up for the time period of 11 days. What are we missing and what does this imply? >>
Probably submitted in a card show.
<< <i>But what ticks me off about these grading companies is that once someone establishes a HISTORY of submitting trimmed cards, their account should be flagged and ALL of their cards should be inspected by top graders. If all or most of their trimmed cards were rejected, they'd move on to some other grading company. >>
This is a great point, but I don't know if any grading company would turn away the dollars in the name of integrity. I would hope PSA has taken note of this seller by now (BGS fans will continue to buy BGS graded crap and live in blissful ignorance), and will screen his future submissions with the highest degree of inspection possible.
The point is this guy can pull this crap off with both BGS and PSA. There are alot of people who don't like BGS but it still is the top company for modern cards. But this guy can pull it off with PSA too....that's the scarry thing. How long have dealers like this guy existed?!?! Basically can turn around and buy any card and flip it into a higher grade.
<< <i>Gdnitenow@aol.com Add to Address Book
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 01:27:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member: 2003 SP Authentic Lebron James RC BGS 9.5 WOW ...
To: mesablanca1110@yahoo.com
It is 481
thanks >>
I couldn't read the number for sure on the graded card but the seller is providing this number - if tipped off, he may be giving me a line.
Mike
Another K Burge ebay id
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After
<< <i>The guy was tipped off from ranch. That's why all the auctions were pulled. >>
That's right, you got me, Alex. I collect modern basketball cards and I work along with this seller(unklbnz) and we both doctor cards together and submit them to BGS and PSA. Remember when you saw me in the summer of 2002? Remember all the gold chains I was wearing and the diamond ring I showed you? Well, now you know how I earn my millions...you're kidding me, right? Since when did I ever give a crap about modern basketball cards or grading? You know I have like only 10 valuable cards in my collection, so why point your finger at me? You just love putting all the blame on me, don't you? Doing that just makes you feel good, eh? Hey, I know you're just upset because your Raptors failed to make the playoffs and your boyfriend, Chris Bosh, didn't do that much either, but there's no need to take your anger out on other people.
And another thing. Alex just can't stand seeing other people making easy money. I mean this seller, unklbnz, is a big time crook and what he's doing is not right at all, I agree that he should be prosecuted, however, he's making easy money and probably has enough cash and more bling bling than Alex. And, hey, I am pretty sure that if Alex knew how to get doctored cards past grading companies, he would definitely do it! Who wouldn't? Why would anyone say "no" to thousands and thousands of dollars? And why wouldn't Alex want to make his wallet fatter? I mean, hey, it's human nature. Plus he's only a low class computer graphic designer and he himself admitted to me that they earn just about enough money to get a loaf of bread on the dinner table each night, right Alex? I still saved that PM you sent to me, so don't bother telling us how you earn $200K+ a year, and how rich you are. And don't get me wrong, all you ever do is insult me, especially over the fact that I spend little money on cards, and how much richer you are than me and all the profit you make...blah, blah, blah...but in real life, Alex, you're nothing but a bum.
Remember the saying, rich guys NEVER brag about their profits and income. Only low class losers like you do.
Have a nice day,
Ranch
Anyways ranch...this is why I have blocked you from my PM's and still wonder why the mod's have not given you the boot off the boards. You provide NO useful knowledge to the hobby, you only like to bash and use other aliases on here (as you told me you do in person when your daddy held your hand for our card trades). Get off the boards man...people want to hear about scammers like unklbnz, not zit faced punks like you.
I HAVE THIS STRANGE FEELING THAT SOMEONE EMPLOYED AT BGS IS GRADING HIS FRIENDS' CARDS FOR HIM, OR ELSE MAYBE THIS GUY IS WORKING FOR THEM AND GRADING HIS OWN STUFF.
<< <i>Is it just me or do athletes no longer know how to spell out their names.
I can just picture these guys drawing these doodles on these cards and laughing their butts off. >>
Don't they charge per letter now at autograpgh shows?
They have , or some phony in their name, have come on to BGS several times in an attempt to discredit my and other's interest in them.
Jason knows what he saw...I have direct admissions from a cohort who bluntly said they trim.
The user name TonyLegit interests me.....last summer, one Tony Dangel from Akron Ohio contacted me via e-mail after I purchased from his user name of "Boxer669" several Dontrelle Willis cards.
Being three months into Ebay & full of naivete I purchased 8 BGS9.5 Willis cards from him, including the first BGS 9.5; three months ago, it was intimated I purchased "trimmed cards". I still have them.
Tony, whose literacy and spelling are on a par with a third grader suddenly was flush with cash months ago when his Boxer669 ID was buying up items everywhere. I have often theorized with friends on this board ( Roach & JeffMEsq ) that there is a loose confederation amongst this group which can be traced from Texas to Akron to Burge & Maryland.
In a traditional sense, it can almost be called a "conspiracy".
None of this garbage surprises me. There was almost a conscious attempt by multiple suspects to turn to PSA within the last 3 weeks as an attempt to relieve pressure and divert attention from BGS manipulations...that is scary if they can succeeed at both venues.
This can destroy graded cards in pursuit of the "unholy" dollars thieved by card alteration.
More people are becoming informed....less people are labeling me as paranoid.
The time will come for action.........soon.......
I agree that it seems like the aforementioned scum are now trying to divert some "business" to PSA, but the sad part is, they succeeded in getting some past them too (see the Wade card in this thread). I don't know what else we can do, but when the time comes for action...count me in. I love watching crooks get what is coming to them.