1954-55 Topps Hockey???

JrMacdaddy

Can anyone explain why a card with 24 7's and 12 8's is going for this much?

Tony Leswick

robstar

Jr

I agree that is a strong price, but have you priced 54 Topps Wax lately?

Hockey is HOT HOT HOT!!!!!!


Rob...

Yzerman19C

Tony Leswick scored the winning goal in game 7 overtime to win the Wings the cup in 1954. Only the second time in NHL history a Cup has been won in Game 7 overtime. enough of the trivia

JrMacdaddy

I can tell you the real reason why the card is selling for that much. Id just rather not post it here out of respect for the bidder

grilloj39

54 topps is a difficult year to find in high grade. It is a condition-sensitive set due to the blue/red borders, much like the 71 topps baseball.

it is always the first year Topps issued hockey cards and cards like the Howe for example are similiar to a 51 bowman Mantle versus a 52 Topps Mantle. In some aspects the 54 topps howe is more desirable than his rookie 51 parkhurst IMO.

murcerfan

I know I need it to complete my set, along with a handful of others.
however, I just cancelled my bookmark on that one. $325 ...jeesh.

no biggie, MintExpress is not exactly my favorite anyways.

NewbietoPSA

There are 2 reasons this card has reached that amount. 1 look at everybody's 1954 topps set that is not 100%. Most of them have the Leswick missing, he is a common, I suppose a lot less Leswicks have been submitted to PSA over the Years than the Howes. reason # 2. gowingzgo has been hoarding the Leswick card. He has put in illegal deals with sellers like hockeycrd, to only sell him any 1954 topps Leswicks he gets, which by the way is illegal business practices in a fair market economy. What I think gowingzgo is doing is trying to get all of them and then he will try to charge a ridiculous price because anyone that has the Leswick in their set, probably won't sell. check out the ungraded and the PSA graded Leswicks on ebay. Who has a bid on them? gowingzgo. Mr Anthony Westley is not a very nice person either. What's funny with the $325 bid, is that with ebay somone usually sees something like this, has the same card in the same grade then lists it and get a third or less than the first one sold.

NewbietoPSA

This is what he said in an email to me recently when I told him I would tell everyone about his scheme that he has all the Leswicks..


Subj: RE: Message from eBay Member
From: tedlindsay@cox-internet.com (Tony & Jen Westley)




Please do, I have over 300 of the 1954 Topps #45 Leswick card. 12 of the PSA 7’s and 3 of the PSA 8’s



The higher the closing prices, the more the card goes up! I appreciate your help.



Thank you.

goodriddance189

there isnt anything illegal about hoarding. maybe unethical to some, but nothing illegal.

NewbietoPSA

ever heard of anti trust and anti monopoly laws?

goodriddance189

yes, and neither pertain to this

NewbietoPSA

what doyou think rockerfeller did. He bought up all the available oil well and then named his own prices. If gowingzgo get the opportunity to buy up all the available Leswick cards, what do you think he will do?

NewbietoPSA

monopolies are illegal in the USA in any kind of business.

goodriddance189

in a free market economy, he has the right to pay whatever he wants for items, and subsequently resell them for whatever he wants. capitalism at its finest.

i know many guys who bid on low pop cards they already own, either because they want another copy or to protect their initial investment. as long as they pay if they happen to win, there's no problem with it. it isn't against ebay rules, nor United States laws

NewbietoPSA

You don't understand what a monopoly is if you think his owning all the Leswicks is free market economy. If he owns them all, he is not allowinging a free and fair market to exist. That is why monopolies became illegal after rockerfeller messed everyone up with the oil.

NewbietoPSA

Are you aware that if you are a store sells water and that a major storm or whatever destroyed the clean drinking water of the area, you cannot raise your water prices right after that? We are in a free market economy, but not in a do whatever you want economy. There is a reason for it. If you have anarchy in business, it will kill this country. It will become like all the inflation packed 3rd world countries.

goodriddance189

oil and water are necessities.
cards are not.

just saying if you want to follow this up and file something against gowings, you wont get very far

NewbietoPSA

usually antitrust suits are class action, not by one individual. Oil is not a necessity if you do not use gasoline. You can have a solar powered house, or wind powered. It has nothing to do with necessity. It has all to do if there is demand and the seller is price gauging.

Howitallbegan

Ethics according to Ylder Riza


gotta love this

goodriddance189

<< <i>usually antitrust suits are class action, not by one individual. Oil is not a necessity if you do not use gasoline. You can have a solar powered house, or wind powered. >>



well if this was the 1890's you might have a case

NewbietoPSA

Talk to Bill Gates about anti trustand he'll be talking 1990's to you.

gameusedhoop

Newbie, are you for real? There were thousands of that card printed, and I'm sure that thousands still exsist now. They may not all grade 7+, but they are out there. Would you file monopolistic charges against a hardware store owner in town if he was the only store to stock snow shovels? Would you call the police if you lived in a small town with only one drugstore and tell them that the Pharmacist is running a monopoly and should be shut down? You would get laughed at. Here one for you, what about some player collectors out there trying to get everycard of a limited edition of a player#1 of 25, #2 of 25 etc..

How about if you bid on a 1 of 1 card on ebay. If you win the ONLY ONE you would be a monopoly, and subject to charges?

NewbietoPSA

NewbietoPSA

You totally don't get my point game used, that's why you resonded the way you did. First of all, if thousands were still available every one that wanted one would have it already.

NewbietoPSA

believe whatever you want because what I've learned on these boards in the past few days is that truth does not matter in this place, it's your truth that matters to you. I wonder how many people here still believe the earth is flat?

goodriddance189

Price Fixing is a per se illegal violation of section 1, and does not take into consideration market power.

US v. Trenton Potteries – 273 US 392 (1927): A combination to fix and maintain uniform prices by a group controlling 82% of the market is illegal per se.

read up on anti trust laws and lawsuits.

NewbietoPSA

oh and by the way, that harware store, and phamacy are not monopolies because you can always go to another hardware store or pharmacy in another town.

NewbietoPSA

murcerfan

<< <i>how it all, who are you and why are you following me around saying I am someone else? Are you in love me? >>



Boy, this all sounds exactly like "Noname".
remember the guy who used to make about 5 posts in a row on one thread.
maybe this is his twin bro....... or a wild coincidence.

yeah, yeah,........that's the ticket

goodriddance189

<< <i>believe whatever you want because what I've learned on these boards in the past few days is that truth does not matter in this place, it's your truth that matters to you. I wonder how many people here still believe the earth is flat...murcerfan? >>



calling out murcerfan? i wouldn't think a "newbie" would know murcerfan from the president

NewbietoPSA

Would I want to?

NewbietoPSA

I've noticed the past day or two he has made some cracks at me, but anyway, it's childish so whatever.

zsz70

Will & Steve,

It's a free country and do what you want.....
but I'm going to start to not enjoy hockey threads
as much if this stuff starts going on. (Although I do agree with you).

When I watch a hockey game, I enjoy the skill of the game.
I could care less about the fights.
It appears that this newbie needs to be ignored, not incited.

I wonder who gets the 2 minutes for instigation on this thread ?

marc

NewbietoPSA

Now I'm understanding all the warnings some of the guys gave me after my first post. If someone disagress with the facts that seem to only exist in "your little world" then the person disagreeing is messed up. That funny, I thought a public forum was public. maybe not.



<< <i>Will & Steve,

It's a free country and do what you want.....
but I'm going to start to not enjoy hockey threads
as much if this stuff starts going on. (Although I do agree with you).

When I watch a hockey game, I enjoy the skill of the game.
I could care less about the fights.
It appears that this newbie needs to be ignored, not incited.

I wonder who gets the 2 minutes for instigation on this thread ?

marc >>

doncherry

zsz70

Its ok . Ylder usually gets booted within a week of registering . I personally have 8 days in the office pool

NewbietoPSA

<< <i>zsz70

Its ok . Ylder usually gets booted within a week of registering . I personally have 8 days in the office pool >>



Doncherry who are you on ebay?

doncherry

thebiddingstopshere oops i mean gottabuyit$, no i meant the the-biddler , hmm positve-feedback ? darn all the good names are taken

goodriddance189

<< <i>Now I'm understanding all the warnings some of the guys gave me after my first post. If someone disagress with the facts that seem to only exist in "your little world" then the person disagreeing is messed up. That funny, I thought a public forum was public. maybe not. >>



the only thing i "disagreed" with is your interpretation of antitrust laws. i never called you names, etc. all i said was that what gowings is doing isnt against the rules.

murcerfan

<< believe whatever you want because what I've learned on these boards in the past few days is that truth does not matter in this place, it's your truth that matters to you. I wonder how many people here still believe the earth is flat...murcerfan? >>


welp,
Ylder ole boy, there ain't much flat ground around here.
mostly just slippery slopes.
so.....I ain't all that sure about your fancy theorem.

but, I am pretty sure I know what the moon is made out of .....
.............you guessed it.

NewbietoPSA

<< <i>

<< <i>Now I'm understanding all the warnings some of the guys gave me after my first post. If someone disagress with the facts that seem to only exist in "your little world" then the person disagreeing is messed up. That funny, I thought a public forum was public. maybe not. >>



the only thing i "disagreed" with is your interpretation of antitrust laws. i never called you names, etc. all i said was that what gowings is doing isnt against the rules. >>


goodriddance. I'm sorry, that was not directed at you, do not take it personally.

NewbietoPSA

<< <i>thebiddingstopshere oops i mean gottabuyit$, no i meant the the-biddler , hmm positve-feedback ? darn all the good names are taken >>


Why don't you say who you are doncherry. All I see you doing is hiding behind a beer can.

NewbietoPSA

I don't understand how this got from tony leswick to attacks against me? Bery peculiar.

doncherry

It may of had something to do with your attack on Anthony Westley but im not certain.

So back to talking hockey cards it doesnt look like you will be finishing your 54 set anytime soon

NewbietoPSA

Why don't you answer who you are doncherry? Being very evasive. I don't own any 1954 topps hockey cards.

doncherry

<< <i>Why don't you answer who you are doncherry? Being very evasive. I don't own any 1954 topps hockey cards. >>



Then i guess you dont need to worry about Mr Westley buying practices concerning the 1954 Topps Leswick

NewbietoPSA

<< <i>

<< <i>Why don't you answer who you are doncherry? Being very evasive. I don't own any 1954 topps hockey cards. >>



Then i guess you dont need to worry about Mr Westley buying practices concerning the 1954 Topps Leswick >>



Again you avoid the question. Why don't you answer it? You seem very quick to accuse and shun, but you don't want any one to know who you are.

murcerfan

This all sounds odd to me too DC.

NewbietoPSA

<< <i>This all sounds odd to me too DC. >>



About Mr Westly, I was merely pointing out as to why the Leswick has gone so high. Since I had an answer, I shared it. Now Doncherry, why don't you share an answer with everyone?

murcerfan

curiosity killed the cat

doncherry

Why would you contact Mr Westley through ebays contact system concerning a card that you do not collect. Maybe Mr Westley can take time out and post exactly what you asked him that he needed to provide a response.

If for nothing else we can see your the biddingstopshere ebay name at the top of it or your new ebay name

You know my ebay name was going to be bidittowinit but you know someone i know took that name bid up everyones auctions and then didnt pay them. They told me he was from Astoria . Its a very sad story

NewbietoPSA

<< <i>curiosity killed the cat >>


You sound like a fortune cookie

ZodiacMindwarp

I'm not sure if noname ever asked "Are you in love with me?" but his alter ego gottabuyit certainly did in this thread:

Are you in love with me?
It's the 8th post down.

Let's not forget his short lived stint under the ID "igloo" too.