T3 Turkey Red grading and set registry

vwtdi · April 5, 2004 11:27PM

Hi all,

I've seen the Turkey Reds slabbed several different ways now. The Camnitz Jay posted last week looked like it had a black insert encompassing the card.....I've also seen them slabbed without. In addition to these 2 configurations, I've also seen them with a "frosted" slab.

Is there an insert? Do these now come with the insert? Must you request the insert? Can you request a "frosted" holder? What is the norm?

I'm seriously considering getting my set graded and I'm looking for the best presentation. I'd also like to have consistency once I start.

Also.....any word as to when a category in the registry will be added for these?

Thanks for any input and help, Keith

qualitycards · April 6, 2004 2:19AM

KEITH - I responded to your Email regarding this issue. And I'll let the others in as well, there is no black insert on my Camnitz, I scanned it w/ the lid open for the dark backround. The card sits like all others in a standard plastic holder w/ "frosted" areas when the card view ends.

A set registry will be available if anyone requests it via BJ. Since there are 100 plavers in the set and only about 50-60 total graded, I doubt many would have the need to register a lone card or two. You stated to me that you had an abundance of T3's, and I am indeed envious of that quantity and the high grade cards that you shared w/ me via the scan, so hopefully, you can slowly get your cards graded and share the results for those of us who are interested....jay

CandyFactory · April 12, 2004 1:17AM

Hi guys

What are your thoughts on the future of t3's? Do you think the value will go up on these with the PSA holder now available?
Or, since it is highly unlikely that anyone would ever attempt to complete a set of these, that they will remain at current value?

I have a few now, and have considered picking up more but am unsure of what the collecting world thinks of these beauties.

Ryan

1420sports · April 12, 2004 1:32AM

I am not familiar with T3 realized prices/sales, but I imagine that there will be more available on the market in the future due to the fact that PSA grades them. Must be one helluva display piece ...

CandyFactory · April 12, 2004 7:42AM

I just imagine that T3's are likely the most rare card out there as a whole- they are so huge that it's almost impossible to preserve them from bumps and bruises. Not being able to put together a set has to be a minus to some collectors.

What I don't understand is how the SMR gives a value to a card that they have never even graded- realistically less than half the set has been graded but somehow has a value to it. I guess with the new holder will come some radical price changes as people start submitting them at $35 a pop.

Ryan

CW · April 12, 2004 8:32AM

Ryan-- yes, sometimes when an issue is too rare it can negatively affect
the value because collectors don't even attempt to build the set. Demand
for the "commons" might not be high in these sets. I don't think this
will be the case with T3's, though. Bottom line is whenever I see these
cards mentioned, they are almost always noted as being "one of the most
beautiful cards ever made". Their sheer beauty will always create a
demand. If someone with a budget (like me) wants to get a T3, but can't
afford a HOFer, they could always get a lower priced common. In Jay's
earlier post with his graded T3, he mentioned that the T3 card always got
the most attention & best comments from his customers. The fact that PSA
now grades them will mean nothing but good things for the T3 market & the
values of the common players.

Regarding your question about SMR pricing cards that don't exist,
from SMR:

Cards Not Yet Graded or Few Known

In cases where a card has not yet been graded or in cases where a card
is extremely scarce and rarely comes up for sale, we do our best to give
conservative estimates for those cards. We try to compare that card to
other comparable rarities in order to come up with a price but our stance
at SMR is that a card is worth what someone is willing to pay so we try
to avoid speculating too much and focus on actual sales. If you know of
a rarity that has sold privately and it can be verified, let us know.
We can't make changes if we don't have the pertinent information.

CandyFactory · April 12, 2004 8:41AM

Thanks CW.

Your info was great. I'll guess we'll just have to hold on and see what happens as more and more T3's turn up at PSA.

grilloj39 · April 12, 2004 10:36AM

I had once thought of collecting these cards...though I wish I did since they were more affordable then they are now. I still think these cards look best when they are professionally framed versus inside a graded slab IMO.

qualitycards · April 12, 2004 12:53PM

<< <i>are professionally framed versus inside a graded slab >>

GRILLO - The backs are great looking, especially the checklist back that I scanned in the prior thread. Just seeing the names of Ty Cobb, Mathewson, Johnson, Lajoie, Cy Young etc.. is awesome enough, but that you got to pick your favorite player if you made the deadline of June 30, 1911 is pretty neat too! ...jay

1420sports · April 12, 2004 1:13PM

Jay, are you getting the warm and fuzzy feeling about the T3's?

qualitycards · April 12, 2004 1:33PM

1420 - Always have - always will...jay

CandyFactory · April 14, 2004 11:31AM

They are definitely beautiful cards, but are they worth the investment?
That's the question I have. Thoughts?

qualitycards · April 14, 2004 11:40AM

CF - Not everything is an investment...who said that?
I just picked up a small batch (4 cards) and intend to have them graded. My 1st reaction was I was glad I could get them. I do not intend to sell them, so it doesn't matter if the cards go up, stay the same or go down. If and when I get tired of them or need money to pay a bill or 2, they will always have a value. And to me thats comforting enough

...jay

PlayBall · April 14, 2004 11:50AM

This coming from a guy who tried to charge me $63 shipping for one $135 card.

qualitycards · April 14, 2004 12:10PM

PB - Actually it was $57

...jay

SDSportsFan · April 14, 2004 12:11PM

I think with PSA now grading T3's, it adds a safety factor for interested bidders. Before, you really had to be careful when looking for them, since "raw" has been the only option.

Personally, I feel T3's have been undervalued compared to the corresponding T206's, considering their increased displayability and beauty. I've also felt ever since I first saw a T3 back in the 1970's, that they are the most beautiful cards EVER made, and still do!

I remember picking up my first T3 back in the early 1980's. It was a Walter Johnson in excellent condition that I paid $350 for. At the time, Johnson's T206's were going for around $25 each in excellent condition. Now, the T206's of Johnson "SMR" around $600-$750, and "theoretical" SMR on the T3 is $2,000. I say theoretical since PSA has yet to grade any Johnson T3's.

I'm slowly getting into the set (HOFers only), having picked up a raw Cobb last fall, and subsequently getting it graded (PSA 1). The nice thing about it is mine is probably the absolute most beautiful "PSA 1" anyone will ever see, since the only reason it graded that low is that the bottom left corner is missing about 1/2 inch (a diagonal cut). It's not a rounded corner, it looks like the corner was just bent and torn off; so it technically has a piece missing. The rest of the card is gorgeous (no smudges, creases, tears, anything...just some lightly rounded corners)

Now, here's hoping that they stay at current levels price-wise for a little while so we can get a few of them before everyone else jumps on the bandwagon

Steve

T3 Turkey Red grading and set registry

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