Just got my grades back; did I get hosed?

EagleEyeKid

Just got them posted today (45 business day) right before their deadline.
Submission # 4015075 zip 90028
I don't know whether to be happy or disgusted.
155 total submitted:
The breakdown:
93 PSA 10
18 PSA 9
no 8's
41 evidence of trimming
3 non graded / refund money due to odd size (my large patch cards)

All the hockey are from cases I've broken up. That is my main passion.
All the football and some baseball are bought raw at shows so I can look at the card first.
I guess if it's not graded, then there has to be something wrong with it. If it looks too good to be true, then why is it still raw?

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goodriddance189

whoa dude, nice job on all the 10's. the Brodeur brings $150 or so each, and you got several of em. i would be interested in some of the PSA 9 hockey rooks you got

goodriddance189

i find it strange that a ton of cards weren't holdered. did you buy em all from the same dealer?

Cubfan

You really got extreme grades. Either a 9+ or Trimmed.

That is a lot of trimmed cards. Not being familiar with those cards, are those prone to come back trimmed? Did you purchase those cards from the same person? Get them directly from the pack? Just curious. It was either Home Run or Banned from the game.

BTW, I have a submission that was entered 4 days after yours and am still waiting for the grades to be posted. Cant wait.



Keith

TheRoach

Congrats! You just helped lower the values of alot of GEM MINT '90 Score now that there is more in population!!

I personally hate the way PSA grades these cards. I have seen a lot of 1990 Score rookies that were given a PSA 10 and the edges are rough a bit or they are off centered on the back. GEM MINT is GEM MINT. If it's 65/35 on the back and very noticeable, don't give it a 10.

It seems you got robbed by someone with all of those trimmed cards. My question to you now is what are you going to do with them now? If you resell them, you are just as bad. I'm not saying you are going to, but if you sell them unslabbed at a show, they go right back into circulation for someone else to get scammed.



TheRoach

koby

Good job on picking the strong 10's. Weird on the ungraded cards. Why would anyone trim 1990 Score. Doesn't mak sense.

EagleEyeKid

All the football were purchased from 3 different dealers that frequent this monthly show that I attend. GAI also takes submissions at this show.
I don't know what I'm going to do with these cards....yes, the trimmed stuff is worthless.
Maybe I should just take it to GAI at the show and have them look at it and get a second opinion, but that's just more $ being spit out; or take it back to those guys I got them from and tell them they're selling crap and make a scene? I don't know......
All the hockey stuff; Im very familar with. The early 90's stuff are my favorite as I've gone thru hundreds of those cases and they're still fairly cheap to pick up. About $100 per case. There's still like 40 cases in my garage.

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ldferg

i received my submissions too. out of 50 i had one returned "evidence of trimming". it was an 82d ripken rookie. i've had that card for years. and yes, after careful inspection, it does look trimmed. i never even thought trimming existing back then....lesson learned.

it was PSA #11778266 (not slabbed). don't worry, you won't see this one on ebay. i'll give to my sons and let them handle it for a while. i do have another one submitted to them that i just opened from an 82d wax box.

DeutscherGeist

If you knew who you bought the trimmed cards from, go back one day and tell them the problem in a very civil manner. If they are not compassionate or even attempt to listen--just make a scene since that is what basically is being asked for. You will feel better that you did something about it without spending more money. Not doing anything will make you miserable.

Trimmed cards are not worthless, but putting them back in circulation might be bad for the hobby. A new collector might purchase them and be totally turned off from the hobby once they come back from submission as trimmed. You can simply keep the cards for display or as fillers in your collection. Afterall, they are authentic.

This is what some people do with trimmed cards and counterfeits. They stamp the back of the card with the words TRIMMED or COUNTERFEIT. This will prevent any new collector from getting ripped off, but some collectors would rather pay $10 for a Nolan Ryan rookie that is trimmed than $1600 for a mint one (how much it that card worth now?). Don't burn them, but stamp them (in an area where no words or stats are going to be compromised).

I don't forgive those who deceive, but the hobby won't be helped by putting these altered cards back in circulation. EVERYONE has been hosed in this hobby. EVERYONE at one point or another. Just make the best of the situation and see what you can recoup with the PSA 10's you got. 1990 Score is condition sensitive--I am impressed at the grades you did get. Hopefully, it will balance out for you.

SDavid

Even though you bought them from three dealers, those cards may have one common source. It's very possible that someone came in with a big collection and sold different parts of it to those guys. If you talk to all three of them, maybe you can figure something out and reach some sort of solution. If they got duped...and that's my hunch based on the value of those cards...then they should accept responsibility.

Were they also selling off a lot of psa 10's or bgs 9.5's?

EagleEyeKid

>>If you knew who you bought the trimmed cards from, go back one day and tell them the problem in a very civil manner. If they are not compassionate or even attempt to listen--just make a scene since that is what basically is being asked for. You will feel better that you did something about it without spending more money. Not doing anything will make you miserable. <<

I will get my whole submission back in 1 or 2 days and will look at the cards in question again. I thought I was good, but I apparently missed something, and I'm going back to the show on 4/18. I will take the cards back to the tables I got them from since they are regular vendors/dealers for this promoter. I plan to be civil about my manner and plee my case. If it doesn't work then I will raise hell. Hopefully I won't be in jail and will give you guys an update.

These cards will not go back out into the hobby circulation. I donate thousands of cards annually to elementary schools and children's hospital. Having these stamped on the back or hole punched is not a bad idea.......hopefully it won't come to this and I can resolve the matter with the fat scum I got it from. I'll keep ya posted.

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EagleEyeKid

>>Were they also selling off a lot of psa 10's or bgs 9.5's?<<

No, one of them took up (2) 10 foot table and had nothing but raw cards. I'd say 80% modern (80s to present), 10% vintage, and the rest were non-sports and stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh crap and Lords of the Rings, etc. This one guy had about everything.....I mean they were nice looking raw cards and he had a lot of people looking at his stuff. He did not have 1 single graded card in 10 display cases shown. He said he did not believe in grading and it's too much work/trouble. When I buy raw cards, I usually have my cup size loupe (it's pretty big...10x magnifier). It fits over the card nicely and I check for surface scratches, and corners. It's hard to decipher the striations of the cut unless you're familar with the issue. I still have to get my batch back first to see what PSA said about that specific card. If evidence of trimming, what is it? Shortness, hooked up/or down edges; wavy edges, etc. I'll have to wait and see.

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