crooked 0 1909-S VDB?

BigGreek

Looks really wierd.

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mgoodm3

Funky lookin. You ever notice that no Ebay coin sellers are collectors and none know anything about coins?

BigGreek

Yea, this particular seller knows nothing about coins but just happens to
have a 14-D and a 1909-S VDB along with a bunch of other non-coin stuff.

MJPHELAN

If I were to buy a 1909-S V.D.B., it would have to be in a PCGS slab.

mark

BigGreek

I need one for my album. Not that one though.

Purple73

Hmmm they know its a KEY DATE. Have to know something. That to me would be a collectors term.

PURPLE!

JohnZ

The only two 1909 varieties that I know of, off the top of my head, are the S/S RPM's.

I've never seen a crooked "0" like that, but I'm not a Lincoln collector.

Veep

This doesn't look like a variety to me. It looks like its received some kind of damage that also affected the 9. The "s" looks to be of the right style, but there's no way to authenticate this coin given those images. A wise man would stay away.

JohnZ

It also appears to be damaged to me, Veep.

I guess my question as a Lincoln layman would be: were the dates in 1909 hand-punched, and if so, was there one punch for the numbers "09", or were there seperate punches, one for the "0" and one for the "9"? If the former, I can't see how such a slanted "0" could legitimately exist. If the latter, then it could be possible.

Coppercoins needs to weigh in on this one.

1centlincoln

As long as there is a VDB on the reverse, it has to be an authentic 1909....unless there's something wrong about the VDB.....

JohnZ

The "VDB" doesn't even look right to me. Isn't it supposed to centered between the stems?

Well I just answered my own question. It appears that the "VDB" is set slightly to the left of 6 o'clock.

This one is holdered by PCGS:

ss350camaro

To many red flags on this one. Damage to the date might indicate an attempt to make another date look like a 1909.
The V.D.B. looks a little odd too but that could be from the pic being taken from an angle.

I'd definately stay away from this one.

Veep

To be clear, the coin may very well be genuine. I haven't seen anything that clearly says that it is not. The trouble is that I can't see enough to tell that it clearly is genuine either. I'd need a zoom of the date/mintmark area where I'd look for tooling, signs of an added mintmark, the die chip inside the top curl of the "s", etc. I'd also need a zoom of the VDB to see whether the center horizontal line in the "B" is angled upward from left to right, etc. There are to many unknowns for me to be comfortable bidding on this one.

merz2

Did anyone but me notice the difference in color of the Reverse VDB pic and the full Reverse pic ? The damage would exclude it from getting into PCGS or NGC slabs.