Open Apology

grilloj39

I recently received a PM from a fellow board member who pointed out some critical comments I made on the SGC board. Although I did not attack anyone personally, I did make disparaging comments about the board in general. So although this was directed at no one in particular I want to apologize to this board as a whole.

I will also leave out any negative comments about PSA or Joe Orlando. It's his company and I am not a customer so I will leave it in the hands of his customers to make suggestions on how to improve PSA. Realizing that many of you have a lot of money invested in their graded cards, my negative comments only provide anxiety, alientation, anger, and hostility to some. You all know where I stand on this issue so it doesn't need to be repeated again

I'm tired of the fussing, bickering, back-biting going on back on forth on the various boards...it's silly. We're all grown men/women and someone made a good comment that life is too short. So I am going to leave any negativity out in future posts. I am always willing to help anyone in their collections or point them in the right direction...I collect hockey vintage and boxing vintage so my average knowledge is limited to these areas.

sincerely,
JG

zsz70

Thanks grillo,

I've been reading these boards for a long time and have always enjoyed the upbeat
excitement surrounding people's collections. I've always stayed away from the negative.

This PSA family isn't perfect, but the families that always try to accentuate the positive seem
to do better than the families that always nitpick on each other.

Look forward to your hockey comments in future posts.

marc

DirtyHarry

Thanks grillo,
Good perspective. As you point out, you did not attack anyone personally though, which I find to be the most dissapointing reading on the boards when I see it, or am subjected to it. There should be no apology required for voicing an opinion that is not personal. IMO.

You post many informative tidbits and look forward to seeing more of them.

KING KELLOGG

grilloj39...

Hi John...

I don't believe we have ever met or had any dealings, but your comments were refreshing.

I give you 3 'attaboys for you genuine concern for making this hobby and these boards a better place to be...

I, along with you will strive to accentuate the positives...

'ATTABOY John...
'ATTABOY John...
'ATTABOY John...


Great post!!!


Larry

koby

<< <i>Realizing that many of you have a lot of money invested in their graded cards, my negative comments only provide anxiety, alientation, anger, and hostility to some. >>



Grillo,

I think you are giving yourself way too much credit. Who are you again? And why do you think that your comments cause anxiety for many people?

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. If we disagree on one issue or one-hundred issues, so be it.

Koby

GlennGaryGlennRoss

Koby,

Grillo's the one who announced he was leaving the boards and then couldn't keep his word.

NewbietoPSA

He is apologizing, and now you are taking shots at him, who is the adult here?

NewbietoPSA

Who made the comment that life is too short?

koby

peace

DirtyHarry

Newbietopsa- I believe this is paraphrased from one of your posts that I believe is right on the mark. Thanks for coming aboard. The poison of the personal attacks on this board is ridiculous. It is what prevented me from coming in to begin with. But I have decided to take it with a grain of salt unless someone attacks me personally.

I love Don Mossi cards. Nobody can imitate those windcatchers!

goodriddance189

koby, calm down, he just joined and prob. doesnt know the story. i agree though, Grillo has badmouthed PSA several times on here.

NewbietoPSA

Whatever he did, I am sure you still have all your limbs. I'm sure he did not kill any of your relatives. I'm sure he did not physically attack you. Nothing verbal about PSA is that bad for you to attack him verbally like that after he has apologized. Men do not apologize unless they are truly sorry, so calm down. He apologized, accept move on with life. If he turns around and does the same thing again, then HE is wrong and YOU have every right to backlash against. When someone apologizes, you either accept, or you stay quiet about it. If you two were on opposing side in a war zone and he got on one knee and surrendered to your mercy, would you turn around and kill him because he is your enemy? That's not the American way, that is the Evil way. I'm going to stop talking now, because I'm begining to sound like the overzealous religious types when I am not religious at all. Anyway Koby, calm down. The only person anger hurts is YOU, unless of course that anger is standing behind a gun pointed at the person you're angry with.






<< <i>Newbie,

Don't know if you have been reading these boards for a while before you started posting. Grillo is one of the most negative PSA-bashers in the hobby. Bashing PSA on PSA's own discussion forums for crying out loud!!!

A few months ago, Grillo in protest over something he did not agree with promised the entire hobby that he would never post on the PSA forums again. Not long afterwards, here he is again, bashing PSA as if he never never left.

If you read messages psoted on other hobby forums, you will see the same thing...not a single positive comment about PSA. In fact, many disparaging remarks about the PSA product, PSA executives and other collectors.

Koby



Grillo,

Same question. What makes you think that you are such an important figure in this hobby that your words cause anxiety for other collectors?

Koby >>

NewbietoPSA

Thanks Harry. I'll ask you again. Do you feel lucky punk, well do you? lol Damn I love that movie. If you have a testosterone problem, watch that and you won't have the problem any longer

DirtyHarry

Newbie- ok, so you're asking yourself "did he fire 5 shots or 6. If you're feeling lucky, you think it's 5."
Regards.

Nothing to do with cards, but fun. 5's and 6's are usually the other topic here.

NewbietoPSA

<< <i>Newbie- ok, so you're asking yourself "did he fire 5 shots or 6. If you're feeling lucky, you think it's 5."
Regards.

Nothing to do with cards, but fun. 5's and 6's are usually the other topic here. >>



Funny. I like his other movie Coogan's bluff. Great view of NYC in the 1960's. A great one for NYC views in 1973 is Serpico, the movie that was the deciding factore in me not becoming a police officer and staying a bum a little longer.

srs1a

Koby, you're a laugh a minute.

Why not climb down from your pedestal and identify yourself? Undoubtedly you are a true genius of the hobby, why not let us know who you are?

koby

peace

srs1a

Don't play games Koby. More than a few times on this board you have joined in the discussions on the PRO-graded cards on eBAY by dealers such as (www.neverpayfullprice.com), kardz-r-us, and psa-card . The name Moser always accompanied these discussions...and for good reason.

You are still a laugh a minute -- SGC one of you favorite grading companies? Now, that's a good one given your comments on that company over the past couple of years. Stop playing games genius.

jaxxr

Mr Newbie...,

I would guess you are aware the TV series McCloud starring Dennis (Gunsmoke) Weaver was based on or stolen from the movie Coogan's Bluff ( site of the old Polo Grounds stadium I think ). Ever see the movie "Prince of the City" starring Treat Williams ? very good police miovie in my view.

NewbietoPSA

I've heard of McCloud, but the last time I wastched, I was something like 6 years old with my father. The other movie, I've never heard of. I will keep an eye out for it.

70chip

I have too much time on my hands, so I have to add this, in respect to DirtyHarry....

"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you got to ask yourself one question...
Do I feel lucky. Well, do ya punk?"

IMO, one of the greatest lines in movie history, I can't hear his voice in my head as I read it.

Sorry to interupt the thread!!!

Buckwheat

Why are guys blasting Grilllo when he came on to apoligize??

Thanks for the post Grilllo. Just ignore the personal atacks, and I apppreciate your staying away from them.

calleocho

i agree with Buck.

Grillo, that was a nice gesture.

RobE

Hey Grillo,you're not kidding about life being too short.There are certainly many more things in life which are far more important than who is the best grading company or what the recent debate it all about.Obviously I don't know so forgive me for my lack of knowing what this is all about.

Anyhow,it doesn't matter to me what this or any other problem is that causes you to feel to post an apology.For the most part you are one of the few non PSA supporters who seems to be fair in your assesment and points you argue.While it's going to raise an eyebrow or two every now and then you seem to make note of your concern with the collector and their well being in the hobby.So if that is what you are all about then great.I just wanted to point that part of you out about being for the collector's well being.

If you don't like PSA then fine.But you or anyone else who doesn't -Watch your P's and Q's because this is there house and I guess that is why you are posting this apology to a degree.Or I guess you said something across the street that got back here.Whatever,you know?

Anyhow,on another note I tried to email you the other day but your email bounced so I PMd you and hope you got it.

Now I'll go back to my little corner and stay out of this.

Good luck folks!

scottsusor

Just a quick comment -- a lot of the crap in this thread is why I stopped posting here -- and am quickly getting tired of even coming here just to read stuff. And I don't think anybody can accuse ME of being negative toward anything or anybody. Am I the only one? I doubt it.

Scott

theBobs

Scott, the pleasure of reading these or any boards is always weighed against the crap/negativity. It never goes away, although sometimes increases or decreases in frequency.

Some decide its not worth it, hopefully more learn how to filter the garbage.

Tipem

Grillo,


While I see you as somewhat of a PSA basher,I really don't care.That is what is great about this country.The ability to have and voice an opinion.I also feel that yours was a nice gesture and appreciate your willingness to voice an apology.I am glad that you chose to return to the boards,in that I feel you do contribute positively to the discussions most of the time.For those that cannot see past your stating that you would never return to this board,I say get on with your life.


Vic

koby

Heck, I don't even see where an apology is necessary. Grillo has his opinions as everyone has theirs. No big deal if we do not agree on everything.

GlennGaryGlennRoss

I am glad you are back too. This board needs more PSA bashers.

Unfortunately, I have decided to leave the boards. I am leaving in protest over the lack of high quality PSA bashing. In the old days, we used to get really good PSA bashing threads going. Trimmed cards, slow service, no service, overgrades, quarterly financial statements showing that PSA was bankrupting, WIWAG, yup, those were the days. This board just no longer has the in depth quality PSA bashing of the SGC or Network 54 boards. It's really sad how all of the high quality bashers have gone. Everyone needs to wake up before this board continues to go downhill.

For all of my friends on the board that want to trash PSA in private, drop a note to glenngaryglennross@yahoo.com I will send you updates whenever I hear of any negative PSA rumour that pops up.

And dont send me notes begging for my return. Also, please refrain from offering me gifts and such in exchange for my return. I have made my decision. It's a decision set in stone. Rock solid. Well thought out. That's it! No returns for glenngary. No sir. I am leaving and not looking back. I don't care how lame the SGC board is, this is it for me. Done with PSA (even though I never submitted any cards). Done with the message boards.

WinPitcher

<Hey Grillo,you're not kidding about life being too short.>

1420sports

Instead of making an entire thread about stopping the negativity in your PSA posts, just do it. I have not seen negativity in your posts here, just on the ones on the SGC board - which needs an entire area on "anti-PSA" because other than those posts, there really isn't anything. Which is a shame. I guess the SGC boards are not good enough for you, as you are back.

Every time someone leaves the board there is a heartfelt "please don't go, we need you here". When Joe comes on the boards there is a "thanks Joe, that is why I am with PSA" and now when someone owes an apology it is "you weren't wrong, and everything is better" ... and now people are accepting open apologies from just because there is a post about it. I guess it helps the post count and some can get to the titles of "expert collector, king, or the greatest poster EVER" faster.

This is a hobby board. Come and go as you please as I personally do not care. I do not care about open apologies for ripping my grading choices, as I am a man and an adult - a grading co. preference is not an personal insult where I come from. I do not care if you prefer GAI over PSA and I do not care that you sit and bee-otch about the PSA boards on the SGC boards, and here too come to think about it.

I really wish I knew who koby is, but he/she makes a lotta sense.

ranch

Koby is always finding something to b*tch about. He reminds me of LEON(he probably is him).

Why don't you reveal who you are, punk? Then we'll take it on from there.

NewbietoPSA

If you don't care why are you responding to it?







<< <i>Instead of making an entire thread about stopping the negativity in your PSA posts, just do it. I have not seen negativity in your posts here, just on the ones on the SGC board - which needs an entire area on "anti-PSA" because other than those posts, there really isn't anything. Which is a shame. I guess the SGC boards are not good enough for you, as you are back.

Every time someone leaves the board there is a heartfelt "please don't go, we need you here". When Joe comes on the boards there is a "thanks Joe, that is why I am with PSA" and now when someone owes an apology it is "you weren't wrong, and everything is better" ... and now people are accepting open apologies from just because there is a post about it. I guess it helps the post count and some can get to the titles of "expert collector, king, or the greatest poster EVER" faster.

This is a hobby board. Come and go as you please as I personally do not care. I do not care about open apologies for ripping my grading choices, as I am a man and an adult - a grading co. preference is not an personal insult where I come from. I do not care if you prefer GAI over PSA and I do not care that you sit and bee-otch about the PSA boards on the SGC boards, and here too come to think about it.

I really wish I knew who koby is, but he/she makes a lotta sense. >>

aconte

<< <i>Unfortunately, I have decided to leave the boards >>






aconte

aconte

<< <i>I really wish I knew who koby is, but he/she makes a lotta sense. >>




YIKES!

aconte

FB

Grillo,

We all have our opinions and we all have times where we'd like to take back our words. Thanks for being a big enough man to stand by your words and yet realize that you MAY have stepped over some line in the sand.

I'm a fan of the PSA grading system, the volume of PSA material available and the whole grading process. Do I like SGC too??? Sure do...

Thanks for participating!

z2345

We don't need long farewell speeches. Everyone is free to come and go as they please.

We don't need open apologies. Everyone is free is post whatever is on their minds.

This a a hobby forum, not a soap opera. Stop being so dramatic.