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Im Starting a Petition To Get Joe Dumars in all of these Products!!!

goodforshoegoodforshoe Posts: 775
in Buy, Sell & Trade - Cards & Memorabilia
I have seen all kinds of "Legends" have autos and jerseys in all these sets and not once has Joe Dumars name been listed or come up. Its Not Right. He Is one of the best players ever in the NBA and no one even cares about him. Well this must end. Everyone who wants to see Joe D in these sets with an auto/jersey or even just a Reg card please sign your name. tell me why you want him in if you want.

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  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    Maybe he dosn't like to sign. I know he has a few autos like the Autographics and one in 1994 Skybox USA (which floded the market in the Target packs) Dumars was a great player but those legends sets are wierd, sometimes they are very exclusive and are all guys like Jodan, Wilt, Russell, Magic, Bird, etc. but sometimes someone will slip in there that seems outta place. I wouldn't mind seeing him in them.
  • MrRookieMrRookie Posts: 462


    sub-par player at best, we don't need him...I'd rather pull a baron davis auto than joe dumars
  • KOBEcollectorKOBEcollector Posts: 3,873 ✭✭
    I wouldn't necessarily call Dumars a legend but he was one of the best defensive players of his time. Believe it or not he was one of the few guys in the league at the time to slow Jordan down a bit. Of course nobody ever stopped Jordan but Dumars did have a rep of doing a good job on him

    He was also a very good shooter. He was overshadowed by Isiah during his career
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    Im not sying he should be a cornerstone of any set but I wouldn't mind him being in a few sets. The thing is though- If you pay $75 for a pack witha guranteed legend auto and pull Dumar you are gonna be pissed.
  • vladdyraddy77vladdyraddy77 Posts: 444
    ive always liked dumars, i wouldnt mind seeing him in these legend sets
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  • goodforshoegoodforshoe Posts: 775
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    Look alot of people may think he is a normal player but Joe D is an Hall or Famer. and should get some respect and he doesnt. These guys are in sp gu why not joe?
  • KOBEcollectorKOBEcollector Posts: 3,873 ✭✭
    I hope your not trying to compare Dumars with Malone, Gervin or Mchale .
  • goodforshoegoodforshoe Posts: 775
    ya i am he was better
  • duncangalduncangal Posts: 3,140 ✭
    LOL, you are so funny, better than The Iceman??? Not on his best day...image
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  • vladdyraddy77vladdyraddy77 Posts: 444
    idk i think he was comparable to mchale, maybe not gervin or malone, but i mean nate archibald makes appearances in alot of these sets too
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  • JErik20JErik20 Posts: 1,502
    Nate Archibald is one of the most underated players EVER. 1st player in NBA history to lead the NBA in scoring AND assists in the same year, and did so while being all of 5'9".
    I'd challenge you to a battle of wits...... but you appear unarmed

    "Stop talking, negotiating,
    Your feeble attempts at world peace
    Give me a %#@*ing break
    Need worldwide genocide, planetary suicide
    And when the whole damn world is dead
    there's your %#@*ing peace"
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    Archibald was a great leader- Thomas was always the leader in Detroit. Gervin is one a whole different level than Joe and Malone was also a high tier player than Joe. I mean he is good but he is one of those guys you appreciate more because you grew up watching him and you really didn't get to see Gervin and Malone in their days.
  • KOBEcollectorKOBEcollector Posts: 3,873 ✭✭
    hey goodforshoe, just curious how old you are ?
  • JErik20JErik20 Posts: 1,502
    "I mean he is good but he is one of those guys you appreciate more because you grew up watching him and you really didn't get to see Gervin and Malone in their days. "


    That is EXACTLY right. Dumars is not even close to being on par with Moses Malone or Gervin, and McHale was one of the smartest players in NBA history

    Erik
    I'd challenge you to a battle of wits...... but you appear unarmed

    "Stop talking, negotiating,
    Your feeble attempts at world peace
    Give me a %#@*ing break
    Need worldwide genocide, planetary suicide
    And when the whole damn world is dead
    there's your %#@*ing peace"
  • KOBEcollectorKOBEcollector Posts: 3,873 ✭✭
    Dumars stats for his career read something like this

    16 ppg
    2 rpg
    4 apg

    not exactly HOF #'s

    Mchales career reg. season #'s weren't the greatest either but the guy was an awesome playoff performer . The guy was almost unstoppable when he went up against the Lakers in the Finals
  • duncangalduncangal Posts: 3,140 ✭
    Just a little history lesson :
    George Gervin

    George Gervin's playing record speaks volumes. Only Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan have won more league scoring championships than Gervin's four, and he was the first guard ever to win three titles in a row. His career scoring average of 26.2 points per game is among the game's best as is his combined NBA/ABA total of 26,595 points. During his career, Gervin recorded a remarkable streak of scoring double figures in 407 consecutive games. And he twice placed second in voting for the regular-season MVP Award. But these numbers only begin to tell the story of Gervin's phenomenal pro career.

    Honors: Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (1996); All-NBA First Team (1978, '79, '80, '81, '82); All-NBA Second Team (1977, '83); Nine-time NBA All-Star (1977-85); All-Star MVP (1980); One of 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).

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  • goodforshoegoodforshoe Posts: 775
    Joe D Was a Proven winner and a leader for the Detroit pistons. He was MVP of the of the 89 Finals.

    He is without a dout the most underrated player ever in the NBA. And Now he is one of the top GMs in the Nba.

    Ohh im 20 years old. I saw him play i saw the other players.
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    If your 20 you missed Moses and Gervins prime and you were not old enough to understand basketball when they retired.
  • goodforshoegoodforshoe Posts: 775
    dont give me that crap. I have grew up around basketball. I went to my first piston game when i was 2. I have been around it all my life. I Know the Iceman was good. Mosses on the other hand i dont see anywhere near the greatness of joe d or iceman, Im not saying joe is one of the top 10 ever hell im not saying he is better the Thomas but he was the player that kept the pistons winning and without him we would not have one are back to back Titles
  • KOBEcollectorKOBEcollector Posts: 3,873 ✭✭
    LMAO LMAO LMAO

    Now i know you don't know much about Moses or about how great some of these guys were

    Check these stats my man . Just look at his ppg and rpg

    Moses
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    I am not sure that when you were 2 you understood what makes an nba legend. Just because you were alive dosn't mean you grew up watching them. If you are talking about guys the Pistons couldn't have won without then guys like Laimbeer, Rodman, Salley, Vinnie Johnson, etc. All those guys were crucial to the winning formula. Vinnie Johnson was very comprable to Dumars statisticaly eventhough he averaged 10 mins less a game. I mean yeah Dumars is great, I wouldn't mind him being in some legends products but he is no where near guys who made the All-Time 50 Team or were barely left off in the case of Malone who along with Wilkins were the 2 who got jipped the most on that.
  • goodforshoegoodforshoe Posts: 775
    im not looking at stats, Stats arent everything. and true basketball fans should know that. Where are his rings? How was he in big games? Joe Avg 27 a game in the 89 finals there is a stat for you
  • KOBEcollectorKOBEcollector Posts: 3,873 ✭✭
    Moses has a ring

    1982 before your time i think
  • KOBEcollectorKOBEcollector Posts: 3,873 ✭✭
    ask 100 fans with basketball knowledge and 100 will say mosses was better than dumars

    guarantee it
  • JErik20JErik20 Posts: 1,502
    Wow- Dumars averaged as many points a game over a 7-game span as 4 or 5 players do every year over the course of an entire season.....

    Stats do tell a huge part of the story. Just because Dumars was lucky to be affiliated with a winning team and Moses Malone wasn't shouldn't count against Malone, even though he did get a ring. But if you line up their stats and ask everyone here at CU if they'd rather have Malone or Joe D on a team and they'll almost ALL say Malone.

    Also keep in mind that Malone was revolutionary in the NBA in that he jumped straight from high school LONG before it became commonplace. He also dominated the center position while being an undersized 6'9" or 6'10" and a relatively thin 215-220 pounds

    Erik
    I'd challenge you to a battle of wits...... but you appear unarmed

    "Stop talking, negotiating,
    Your feeble attempts at world peace
    Give me a %#@*ing break
    Need worldwide genocide, planetary suicide
    And when the whole damn world is dead
    there's your %#@*ing peace"
  • goodforshoegoodforshoe Posts: 775
    i didnt study him up he does have a ring sorry about that. But i still stick with Joe. I dont think its right for you to say Joe got lucky. Watch the 89 Finals and you will see that Luck wasnt what made him an awsome player. I wish i had some Detroit people here then i would have someone backing me up. All you west costers will never understand joe and thats fine. But Belive me when Michael Jordan says someone was the player he feared most. You have to see he is a great and should be in sets, with autos and jerseys the guy didnt even get a last card. its BS
  • RichyPF32RichyPF32 Posts: 1,665
    Haha, I live in Kentucky and know Dumars was no where close the players listed.
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  • JErik20JErik20 Posts: 1,502
    He was great....... a great ROLE PLAYER. He was NEVER the marquee name, never the focus of the defense, so i would certainly not say he was great. He was Robin, and Isiah Thomas was Batman. Sure he might deserve a mention in one of these sets you're talking about, but he does not deserve to be mentioned with George Gervin and Moses Malone, who were the STATISTICAL leaders of their team. Just admit that you have a Detroit bias and move on.

    Erik
    I'd challenge you to a battle of wits...... but you appear unarmed

    "Stop talking, negotiating,
    Your feeble attempts at world peace
    Give me a %#@*ing break
    Need worldwide genocide, planetary suicide
    And when the whole damn world is dead
    there's your %#@*ing peace"
  • goodforshoegoodforshoe Posts: 775
    duh i have detroit bias. There is nothing wrong with that. But dont call Joe a Roleplayer, thats just wrong. He Made players work for every shot and made every team watch him, he could take a 3 right in your face like it was nothing. Joe May not have the "STAR" power of your guys because he kept to him self. He is way better then you are giveing him credit for.
  • JErik20JErik20 Posts: 1,502
    If he deserves mention, then i could say Sam Cassell does too (since i have a Houston bias).

    They've put up almost identical numbers over their careers (except Cassell has more assists/game) and Cassell was also a GREAT ROLE PLAYER on a few championship teams.

    Erik
    I'd challenge you to a battle of wits...... but you appear unarmed

    "Stop talking, negotiating,
    Your feeble attempts at world peace
    Give me a %#@*ing break
    Need worldwide genocide, planetary suicide
    And when the whole damn world is dead
    there's your %#@*ing peace"
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    Good comparrison there. Dumars was a role player just like Rodman, Salley, Laimbeer, Vinnie, etc. Rodman isn't in those sets and he is arguably one of the greatest rebounders/ defensive players in NBA History. Just like Dumars was the only one who could stop MJ, Rodman was the only one who could stop Malone in his prime.
  • vladdyraddy77vladdyraddy77 Posts: 444
    From old higlight tapes and stuff like that i've always liked dumars style of play, he was an incredible defender in my opinion, unfortunately i think years from now he's gunna end up getting recognized, which would be a little too late...was he in 02'03 generations? with a jersey or an auto or both? cuz there were some MESSED UP players in that set so he DEFINITELY deserves to be in over alot of the guys that made appearances there
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