If that 1884-S was unc it would be in either a PCGS or NGC certified slab. It looks AU to me with lots of hairline scratches. The only positive thing about it is that it appears to be PL which is rather uncommon for an 1884-S.
AU money for an 1884-S is about 10% of Unc-60 money because they are much more common in circ condition...
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Certainly looks to have the right sort of luster. The only thing that would keep me from saying it is UNC is the darker area on the eagle's breast feathers, and maybe on some of Liberty's hair. That could be indication of rub, but it's really tough to say from the picture.
Looks like a decent coin, but I would certainly wanna see some better pictures of it, and see it in some reputable plastic instead of a no-name slab. I dunno about the others here, but a third-world (no, not even third-world), no-name slab and big bucks together in the same auction sets off warning bells in my head...
NEVER EVER buy a better date Morgan Dollar in anything but a PCGS, NGC, ICG or ANACS slab. Though you may think you're getting a bargain compared to the grade on the holder, you're really not. You should view grades on any holders I did not mention the same as if they were written on 2x2s. There is no Santa Claus in numismatics, and you don't get something for nothing.
Hmm, a new seller that sells coins entombed in the "Capitol Coin Grading Service". The other seller didn't know how to contact the grading service. I wonder if this seller knows how to contact this grading service.
<< <i>NEVER EVER buy a better date Morgan Dollar in anything but a PCGS, NGC, ICG or ANACS slab. >>
right on. I learned the hard way just recently with a "Capital" MS-63. HA!!!!! It might have made AU at the best (I thought it was more like XF). But, then again, I am a hard grader, old school it seems. Anyway, it was no where near MS-63.
I was lucky - the seller agreed to take it back. No more Capital" coins for me!!!
By the way, for LMV's benefit, this is not what a mint state 84-S looks like when it is original. That coin has been stripped of it's original luster, most likely by overdipping. This coin also looks like it does have a slight rub.
It's been more than dipped LMV, it's been stripped bare. These coins even look worse in person. It's a shame because trying to doctor these coins to pass off as MS coins have seriously diminished the pool of nice AUs to choose from if you are not wealthy.
It never ceases to amaze me how collectors of Morgan Dollars ignore red flags when they think they can get a "deal". Morgan Dollars are probably the most popular collector coins. There are no "deals".
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AU money for an 1884-S is about 10% of Unc-60 money because they are much more common in circ condition...
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Looks like a decent coin, but I would certainly wanna see some better pictures of it, and see it in some reputable plastic instead of a no-name slab. I dunno about the others here, but a third-world (no, not even third-world), no-name slab and big bucks together in the same auction sets off warning bells in my head...
Stay away, probably cleaned and polished for a funeral (your money's).
<< <i>NEVER EVER buy a better date Morgan Dollar in anything but a PCGS, NGC, ICG or ANACS slab. >>
right on. I learned the hard way just recently with a "Capital" MS-63. HA!!!!! It might have made AU at the best (I thought it was more like XF). But, then again, I am a hard grader, old school it seems. Anyway, it was no where near MS-63.
I was lucky - the seller agreed to take it back. No more Capital" coins for me!!!