Toned Morgan Market-What Is The Trend?
elwood
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What's the pulse of the Toned Morgan Market in these individual areas?
Crescents?
MonoChromes?
Target?
Bag or Fabric Toning?
End Rolls?
Toned GSA's?
Redfields?
How about Bag Toning on a GSA?
Crescents?
MonoChromes?
Target?
Bag or Fabric Toning?
End Rolls?
Toned GSA's?
Redfields?
How about Bag Toning on a GSA?
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Why does everyone always leave that one out?
Edited to add: Now, find me one of these, and we're on to something!
<< <i>Crescents?
MonoChromes?
Target?
Bag or Fabric Toning?
End Rolls?
Toned GSA's?
Redfields?
How about Bag Toning on a GSA? >>
In my humble opinion?
Overrated. Overrated. Overrated. Overrated. Overrated. Overrated. Overrated. Overrated.
Oh, and to please Prometheus, I would say the market in plaid-toned Morgan dollars is significantly UNDERrated.
Might there be a market for Redfield holdered dollars with peach-juice stains?
Yes especially with attractive luster underneath
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- monochromes: overrated except with semi-pl surfaces or better. Inexpensive
- Target: usually overrated, but some are nice. Reasonable price.
- Bag: for MS64 and below, overrated and way overpriced. For MS65, very desirable and scarce. Be wary of bump from MS64 due to color. MS66 -- rare, extemely desirable, expensive, yet still has good potential. MS67 -- impossible, recall seeing only a few for sale in person in 7 years, none in PCGS holder. Recently offered an NGC for around $4000.
- End Roll: Usually overrated and overpriced. I find one in ten are pretty -- but, when they are pretty, don't pass.
- Toned GSA's. Many come toned but dull. Way overpriced unless the luster is there. Colors are usually earthtones, subdued.
- Redfields: Ugh.
- Bag toned Gsa's: Very rare, desirable, expensive. Consider only if colors are vibrant.
- Textile: Interesting but way overpriced for a few dots. Go for the color and luster, and if there is some textile don't pay much premuim for that feature.
- Reverse toned (any style): Not my cup of tea. But, desirable nevertheless and much easier to locate, because the obverse toned pieces are held in very strong hands. Big variation in prices, so a little searching can go a long way.
<< <i>You forgot plaid, damnit! >>
Send a PM to Jason, maybe he will store one for you under his kilt!
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After I sent my original reply, I was sorry I didn't add a few comments about bag toned coins graded above MS67. Of course, there really isn't much to say, as such coins are so rare. In MS68, I've seen less than a handful in my lifetime. GSAGuy has one -- I think it's one of the few he hasn't cracked out and put in those attractive individualized white plastic holders. That coin is, I believe, Anaconda's favorite toned Morgan dollar. I also have one, and I recall about 15 years ago Julian Leidman had one for sale at close to $10,000. (I'll refrain from saying any of these coins are "great" or some such thing, for what else would you expect a bag toned MS68 to look like?)
Of course, for MS69, there are only a handful graded in total, and I doubt any are toned let alone rainbow toned. I did see the MS69 Jack Lee white coin, and while it was indeed lovely, I have to say that my impression of it was that it's would be highly problematic whether this coin would be considered MS69 if the owner had been almost anyone else.
Thank you for taking the time to make your comments. Bear
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I know you don't like reverse toners but here is a 1879 s in PCGS ms68. Colors are much nicer in person
To the best of my knowledge, ALL GSA's are bag toned.
Gemtone65, don't underestimate the best-toned Redfields. I love 'em!
As for end rollers, I think they're the hardest to find, especially with vibrant colors and sharp lines.
GSAGUY
I agree with Gemtone65 comments for the most part. I happen to like end rolled coins but he is right, most of them are none too spectacular. The really good ones have some cool colors but nothing in the same quantity as say, bag toned, for example.
GSAguy's 68 is my favorite coin. I imaged it when he and TBT were at my house and then i extracted a portion of it, rotated it and placed it between the terms of my paragraphs in my listings. Knowing humans as i know them, as long as i want it, he will not want me to sell it so i am making friends with his wife and encouraging him him to take up scuba diving and the keeping of venomous snakes.
My favorite toned Morgans are coins with the most vibrant colors in the turquoise range. I have a small handful. They are rare. I don't usually list them.
With regard to the value of toned dollars, only experience can help you. If you look at enough of them you can get the feel and those of us who have them sift through our hands (and isn't that really all that happens?) know what they are worth within 10% or so.
adrian
GSAGuy: I probably haven't really seen or even looked for enough Redfield pieces to appreciate that there are some nice ones out there.
Further, I'm not quite sure what you meant, or whether you were joking, when you said all GSA's are bag toned. Could you elaborate?
The point I wanted to get across is that, to my knowledge, all toned GSA Morgans, are bag toned. In other words, none were toned in albums, envelopes, or paper rolls and then placed in GSA holders.
If that's not what elwood meant, then nevermind.
GSAGUY
Edited to add: elwood, if when you say 'bag toning' you actually mean 'textile pattern' then that's a different story. GSA's exhibiting bold textile patterns are tough to find and worth a premium in my opinion, especially if the colors are otherwise attractive.
<< <i>If that's not what elwood meant, then nevermind. >>
Thank-You all for the input
When I mentioned bag toning on GSA's, I meant with a fabric pattern. Are these hard to find?
Thanks, Steve
Fabric pattern is an acceptable description although I've found that textile pattern is more often used to describe evidence of the bag's woven fabric on the coin's surface.
GSAGUY
I must say for point of clarification that in my comments on "bag toning," I used that term interchangeably with rainbow toning, not textile pattern toning. One could have both effects, but the predominant appearance would typically be the rainbow colors, and the textile pattern secondary, at least for a casual observer. I realize that for some of you textile fanatics, that order of importance might be reversed.
That's what I was trying to say- Textile pattern-Thanks for the clarification.