Did you ever get a coin accurately graded or undergraded from ACG or PCI?

tsacch

if, so did you make any money at it, or have before and after pics of slabs?

Russ

Only bought a few ACG, but many PCI gold label. Every single coin has been overgraded and/or over-designated. ACG has the worst reputaion, of course, but PCI gold label is just as bad as ACG ever was.

PCI early generation green label is good for cherrypicking, though. I've found some very good coins in those holders.

Russ, NCNE

nankraut

I've never touched an ACG coin---won't either. A couple yrs ago I cracked out a PCI (old holder) 1940 Proof PR64 quarter and sent it to PCGS. It came back PCGS PR-66. Boy! was I surprised. I only sent it because I needed 4 coins for my free membership renewal at the time.

K6AZ

I've run across a couple of ACG coins that crossed at ANACS. One was a 1887 MS64 Morgan, and the other was a 1923 MS63 Peace Dollar. Note that both of these are cheap coins. On the higher value coins, I have never seen one that wasn't either overgraded and/or had problems not mentioned on the holder.

lordmarcovan

No before-and-after pics, but I just sold a PCGS MS64 1904 $20 Liberty I'd cracked out of an old PCI green label MS62 holder this January, and submitted at the FUN show. I knew it was a lock-on 63 at least, with a shot at 64.

Did I make any money at it? You bet your boots I did!

That's not the first time I've upgraded PCI greens at PCGS or NGC.

As to PCI gold-labels, I have only one- a 1907 Repunched Date $2.50 Lib in an AU58 holder. It's one of those coins that could go AU58 or MS63. I can't see any wear on it. I think PCI got the grade right, if it does fall on the AU58 side of the spectrum. I can't see it going less than that. Might have to get it in some reputable plastic one day, but I'm not a big submitter.

I lost on the only ACG coin I ever bought. I bought it knowing full well about ACG. It was an 1873 Arrows half in an ACG EF45 holder. I knew it was at least an AU55. Cracked it out and sent it to ANACS. I was right about it being AU. ANACS gave it AU details but netted it down to EF40 for cleaning and some light tooling, as I recall. Learned my lesson, there.

Prometheus183

I bought one ACG graded coin a long while back. It was my first, and will be my last.
I can grade better than they can, and I'm not even what I'd call novice level.
I believe they grade by brail.

Craig

tjkillian

I bought a 1906 MS-62 Red coin in a PCI holder. I cracked it out and sent it in raw to PCGS. PCGS did not think it was an MS-62, but rather an MS-64, but they did think it was red. I later sold it to Rick Snow who thought it was a nice coin. He thought that it was a no-brainer MS-64 Red too!

Tom

Russ

Here's an example of a PCI gold label "deep cameo":



There are thousands more just like it. There's only one reason any dealer submits to PCI, and it has nothing to do with turnaround time.

Russ, NCNE

K6AZ

Russ, that looks like something DTROLL would sell.

darktone

I have had several ACG coins upgrade or get the same grade but you have to look through alot of coins to find a good one.

rainbowroosie

47S roosie in a PCI 67, came back 68* from NGC......ANACS 52 roosie in 66, came back 67 from PCGS....can go on...buy the coin not the holder...

nccoin

Cracked a PCI Lincoln 1 cent 1914-S and sent to NGC. Came back AU58. I believe AU58 was too high, I thought it was more like AU50. I did sell it for 150.00. In the PCI holder it was worth about 40.00 at best.

ccex

I seem to miss out on all those undergraded PCI green-label slabs which sometimes still sell for cheap since PCI's reputation has been tarnished.

I have bought only 3 ACG coins. One was a modern commemorative featured on the K6AZ website, which went from PR-70 at ACG to PR-68 at ANACS. The second was a cheap Columbian Half, graded in an original ACG photoslab as what I decipher as a weak strike, cleaned, "commercial 63" (I call it a cleaned AU, despite the 63 number). My favorite is a key-date Barber Dime which ACG graded as VG-10.


Word of ACG was widespread when I bought it last year for less than VG bid. I cracked this out, and put it in my Dansco album of Full Liberty Barber dimes. This is one series I know how to grade, and I call it F-12.
Obverse
Reverse
I wish I had others to post, but finding an accurately graded ACG or gold-label PCI coin is just too time-consuming.

kamehameha00

Not mine,not ACG but...




I never get tired of showing that off

haletj

I got an ACG ms63 1863 IHC for $80, cracked it out, sold it raw for $120 (It was nice overall. Would have kept it in my own set, but decided I didn't like the strike).

OnlyBuffalos

I purchase six PCI 1938-D MS65s awhile back sight unseen for $100. One came back as a MS67 from PCGS. The other five were not submitted as they were AU58 at best that I sold for $10 each.

Also purchased some other Buffalos sight unseen that I took a bath on -- stopped playing Russian roulette after that.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>Not mine,not ACG but...



I never get tired of showing that off >>



That one's a true classic! Though I've seen it a few times, I never get tired of LMAO at it!

joecool

I took a chance on an ACG 1888 Morgan MS65 and broke it out and sent it to PCGS. It came back MS65, I got lucky, because most of ACG graded coins are over graded.....

DCAMFranklin

<< <i>47S roosie in a PCI 67, came back 68* from NGC......ANACS 52 roosie in 66, came back 67 from PCGS....can go on...buy the coin not the holder... >>


Well said rainbowroosie!

LucyBop

While its true to buy the coin and not the holder, and gems can be found, the bottom feeders will always defend the
slabs they sell.....

Barry

Here's a classic currently on ebay.

tsacch

I have a nice bust half from them and to me its a lock 58, possible 61, but its got some hits on the reverse....i will try to photo and post.

rottnrog

I bought this coin for $61 and haven't cracked it out as I am still amazed that AGC got one close! I did show it to PCGS and they said 65FBL with a chance at 66FBL. Marks on cheek are on the slab, coin is GREAT!! Even at 65FBL I got a steal!!!!

BigGreek

With ACG, PCI (and I would throw in NTC). When you buy the holder, you're
buying, err, .. the holder.

At least PCI and NTC seem to be somewhat consistent in their overgrading.
An NTC MS coin seems a solid 2-3 points lower than the equivalent PCGS.
PCI may be a hair better. ACG seems like a total waste of plastic. Just ignore
it and look at the coin.

LucyBop

That image of that Franklin doesn't look close to FBL....

from what I can see...... major weakness it seems to the left of the crack on the bell...

how about a close up of this area....?

GaCoinGuy

I had a cobalt blue MS65 morgan in a gold label PCI that crossed at 65 to PCGS last year.

Merc

I bought an 1877 IHC in F12 in an older green PCI holder. I knew what to look for so I knew it was real. The letters in Liberty were all there but weak so it looked like a F12. ANACS crossed it with no problems.

Russ

"Buy the coin, not the holder" is fine and dandy if you have a chance to view a coin in-hand before plunking down the money and yes, one can point to rare examples where a PCI gold label, ACG or NTC coin might be graded correctly. The vast majority, though, are grossly overgraded junk. These fourth tier garbage slabs are hawked to the unsuspecting by unscrupulous sellers in an essentially sight-unseen market.

Another example of a "deep cameo" from PCI:



Russ, NCNE

tsacch

Russ, nice ms 64/5 kennedy