YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENED TO ME ON MY LAST SUBMISSION ...

wolfbear

My cards were graded fairly, in a timely manor,
at a reasonable charge, and returned to me worth much more than they were worth as raw cards.

Ho hum, just like my past dozen or so submissions to PSA.

Wow, this is really boring ...

dbj77

cool, I'm glad somebody is happy

carew4me

Wolf,
The SAME thing happened to my submission.

I mean, its like they are doing a great job and I dont have anything to complain about!

The nerve of those people.

packCollector

nice post wolfbear, I think all the happy people should reply to this one. I am with you and in very few instances have I thought a card was damaged or been concerned with the status of my order. and YES, my cards come back worth more than they were before . this board has been filled up with complaints for some time now. the reason is nobody posts when something goes right which is the majority of the time. with 7 million cards graded and how many thousand's on ebay at one time. we get the 5 examples posted where a card is misgraded, we never so posts on the other 50,000 that people are happy with.

thanks wolfbear!

calleocho

good post Wolf!

CON40

wolfbear;

A breath of fresh air in a room full of flatulence!

Well done!

ctsoxfan

My last several submissions were also graded well in advance of the turnaround times (one in three days!), and graded fairly. The last submission was tough, but for the most part, I came out ahead putting the cards into PSA holders. Never a problem with delivery or service. Ho-hum.

boggs301012

I have never had a submission that didnt have an issue, CONGRATS wolfbear.


James

TheRoach

<< <i>My last several submissions were also graded well in advance of the turnaround times (one in three days!), and graded fairly. The last submission was tough, but for the most part, I came out ahead putting the cards into PSA holders. Never a problem with delivery or service. Ho-hum. >>




Your last submission was tough, probably meaning that you didn't like the grades, right? Anyway, did you really still come out ahead after paying for the per card cost to grade each card? I know you never know what grade you are going to get, but I was just curious as to how you still made out? What did you have graded, and are you saying you made out by Beckett prices of these cards, or did you actually sell them on Ebay? Thanks.


TheRoach

packCollector

roach , I think what wolfbear is saying that if he takes the raw market value plus the grading fee, the new market value of the graded card is higher. that's at least at what I look at when I submit cards . makes logical sense to me

poeandbb

PSA grades cards in a "timely manor?" I though they graded them in an office-type building. Whoever said feudalism was dead? Joe must be the lord and the graders the tenants. I'm not sure why the graders would rent space from Joe to grade cards. It would be fair if they were just paid. Wow, if their grading cards in a manor, things must be going O.K.

ctsoxfan

Roach, the submission I referred to was 50 cards, under the $5 reg special (got it in under the wire). I don't have the # handy at the moment, but it was a combination of 1976 baseball, 1980 baseball, 1978 football, and 2003-04 Topps Chrome basketball. I felt like they hammered me on the 78 football and 80 baseball, since I got back mostly 8's (commons worth less than grading fees, even at $5), but I made out okay on a few 1976 8's, and got a Lebron RC 10 (and a few other RC 10's like Bosh and Wade). I spent $275 or so (with shipping) on this deal, and many of those 10's will go to Ebay, which should allow me to recoup at least what I paid, if not more.

Normally, it doesn't go this badly. The same batch of cards that yielded those 8's got me some nice 9's and 10's last few times, and then, I more than covered the cost of the submission (when Ebaying some of the cards). That's why I felt that the submission was tougher than usual. My usual submission results give me better grades, and I always seem to increase the "value" of what I send in, overall, with submission.

wolfbear

poeandbb - good one !

As one of my Ingglish Profezzers splained to me :
Spellin is not a function of intelligenze - it just plane aint logicol.

Worth more = 3.00 card + 7.00 grading and shipping = 25.00 card
= more money for me to blow on PSA graded cards that I need for my sets ...

ZodiacMindwarp

Perhaps poeandbb should have realized that in his sentence:

<< <i>Wow, if their grading cards in a manor, things must be going O.K. >>

the correct form of the word is the contraction "they're", not the possessive "their."

You know, glass houses and all...

BugOnTheRug

Wolfbear,
Glad you're bored. My guess is that you submit vintage cards, 40's - early 70's. If you're also into later 70's and 80's, I salute and applaud you as you must have a very keen eye. If that's the case, no need for you to read further, as you'll be bored even more.....

To start with I'm comfortable with grades I get on my 60's to mid 70's cards. I find good consistency in these years. I'm happy.

However, I do have a problem with consistency on later 70's and 80's issues. I have seen grades all over the place with my own 80's submissions and know of several major registry players with the same general feeling concerning these years.......yet have seen some very lax treatment at the same time. Am I missing something with these later cards that I don't miss with the earlier ones? Are all graders experts with all cards from all companies? Is it asking a lot for graders to know all this? Yes it is. But again, I pay money for 'consistency', just like you do........with the expectation it pertains to ALL years.

I do have choices, to be sure. Either don't submit and buy already graded if it meets my satisfaction, change companies, talk to PSA, or get out of the game. Pretty simple.

Point is, just because you don't have a problem doesn't mean problems, or areas for improvement, don't exist. To just blow it off as 'ho-hum, whatever', which is what I'm getting from your post, is missing the point that improvements to a product can be made and at a very reasonable or little cost to the company. Example? Having graders who are trained in specific products and years. Even you, WB, would have to agree that that's a pretty sound suggestion.

My intent is not to start a bashing round, so let's not go there. Just realize that opinions and experiences people here have, both pro and con, DO carry some merit.........it's a two-way street.

Again, glad all is well in Wolfbear-submit-land.

BOTR

wolfbear

BOTR - you are correct that 95 + % of my submissions are for 1960's cards.

How much would you be willing to pay for greater consistency ? ( or grader consistency )
$ 20 per card ? $ 30 per card ?
Probably not .. let's just keep the grading fees low, and expect a few questionable calls now and again.

As a very wise man once said : "If the grade doesn't fit, you must resubmit"

BugOnTheRug

<< <i>How much would you be willing to pay for greater consistency ? ( or grader consistency )
$ 20 per card ? $ 30 per card ?
Probably not .. let's just keep the grading fees low, and expect a few questionable calls now and again. >>



WB, Yeah at those prices, even for older cards..........too much.

However, being that 1980's PSA 8's are worthless (well to me and would guess for other folks too) for registry purposes, I'd spend a couple dollars more per slab for true consistency. And I'm not talking about a few here and there in question, it's many.

I plan to resubmit some, but the overall flavor I'm getting is making me very wary. Part of the fun of the registry is submitting........constantly buying slabs takes the fun out of it for me.

I've resubmitted a few 60's - 70's cards and have done ok............but again, only a few. Way too many 80's to do this with though.

Cheers, BOTR

CON40

IMHO, PSA was never concepted as a grading house for cards worth less than the price of grading. If you pay more to grade the card than it is worth in its raw form, you are taking a risk to begin with. In fact, in most cases, modern collectors are submitting for the number solely. If the number is not high enough, then disappointment sets in. Vintage collectors are submitting for a number as well, but in combination with authenticity and preservation as well.

If you're gonna submit 50¢ cards, take your lumps and resubmit.

BugOnTheRug

<< <i>If you're gonna submit 50¢ cards, take your lumps and resubmit. >>



If I'm going to submit 50 cent cards, I should take my lumps and forget the registry.

BOTR

NickM

CON - worse is submitting a $2 card from the '80s, having it get an 8, and then finding it just became a $1 card (worse unless you're the buyer, that is).

wolf - care to share the detailed results?

Nick

WinPitcher

the 2.00 card that was submitted and worth only a dollar now will one day reach a higher value, those are the cards that will be in demand one day. I would not think of those as failures, as long as they are centered well and problem free i see those cards doing quite well one day.

CON40

BOTR: Don't forget the Registry! It's fun. The Registry is a competition for cards we like to collect. Certainly, some very fine cards and collections are posted. But the vast majority of the sets are things we simply like to own. The competition is in the grades those cards get and how are sets are ranked against our peers.

Myself, it's Nolan Ryan. And because of the Registry, I own 2 of every card: one slabbed and one raw. The slabbed copy is all about the number because the number is how we are ranked on the Registry. That's the competetition (and some of the fun). The raw stuff is everything I own that won't help me in the competition!

I pay to have 50¢ cards slabbed because it adds to the fun of the Registry to get those high grades. But when I get a lower grade than I hoped, the card goes into a box for trade or I crack it out and put in back into the raw collection and hunt for a better copy to resubmit.

Am I crazy? Or is this how lots of us work on our Registry sets -- especially the cheap stuff.

BugOnTheRug

Con,
The problem I am having registry-wise IS 'consistency' based, and this was the point of my posts. I want to be a part of the registry, with a few sets, however..........

I have 8's for a particular set where I can't tell the difference between those and the 9's I received. All scrutinized the exact same way. Yet these same 8's are superior to recent 9's I purchased, so what can I look to to be somewhat confident of what I'm sending in is valid? Face it, 8's in 1980's issues are dogs except for the toughest of issues. Even 9's in many issues don't bring grading grades. That's fine, but if I'm at 50/50 with what I feel are 'lock' nines and half come back 8's, what's the point of going further in this case? I want to go further, but do I just throw money at it, cross my fingers, hope and pray???? That's not a real intellegent way to pursue the registry.

I have felt the 'lock' on earlier years and there's no problems. Very confident. But I do feel there are descrepencies with later 70's and 80's issues. So, in essence, a 600-750 set with 50% coming back as 8's...after thorough examination....no thanks! That's for far braver souls than mine. Submitting in this way is just a waste even for the registry, and I'd be just better keeping them raw. Please understand that my disappointment is not in a particular submission, but rather the results of various 'in-front-of-me' comparisons with particular years; raw vs submit vs graded vs purchased graded.

It's not my intention of airing out the exact particulars on the boards. If I feel compelled, I will contact PSA to discuss..........that's the right way to handle these situations. It's just when I see these things, and I know others are experiencing relatively the same issues with the same years, I will respond to those who feel everything is a-ok in grading land.

If you are happy with grading in these years, I am happy for you and more power to you. So far for me, I'm lacking power.........I won't get anywhere with a 4 cylinder engine in a Crown Victoria.

Regards, BOTR