Thanks to two great Pattern Experts.

Trime

COLLECTING is FUN when you have experts willing to help. Thanks to Andy Lustig and Saul Teichman.

I recently purchased a 1870 J843 Standard Silver 10C pattern and after careful observation under 10 and 30X noted that GOD in the ribbon had been repunched both to the left and right of the final position. Since there are so many varieties (see Judd #s) I wondered if this had been done in the master die for the non star in tiara and was present in all the varieties of the series. I ask one of our pattern gurus ( Andy Lustig ) for help. He solicited the help of Saul Teichman. Saul and Andy contacted a collector (anonymous to me) with a large number of patterns and asked his/her assistance.
The response is below:
"All of the 1870 10c patterns with this obverse, exhibit the
> repunching of "GOD" in the ribbon. I have J-843 thru J-847 and J-861
> thru J-866 and each of them has it. "

We all have different reasons to collect and different pleasures in the process. This type of generosity of time and effort makes this a great hobby.
To the collector that helped provide the answer an equal note of appreciation.

kranky

That's cool. It was nice of all those people to help figure it out for you.

jbsteven

no matter what everybody says about Andy I think he is alright.

RKKay

Andy and Saul are THE sources when you need to know something about patterns.

Trime

Rick,
I was really pleased at the mobilization of effort Andy created to answer a question about a recut die on a Standard pattern dime. The mint in 1870 went crazy in creating a huge number of patterns. Part was stimulated by the change in silver value and legislation in 1869 requiring lower weight silver coins. Barbers ascent to the Chief mint engraver following Longacres death added to the barrage of trial pieces. Thus it is not surprising that errors were made and correction needed. Errors or not a major collection could be created by accumulating only 1870 patterns.

RKKay

There are a huge number of Standard Silver patterns. It's interesting you noticed the recut "God" in the motto. A couple months ago, I saw the same "error" on a silver Standard Silver (don't recall which, but maybe the one you referred to). I looked at the copper version and saw the same recutting. Error patterns are fascinating.

Conder101

<< <i>There are a huge number of Standard Silver patterns. >>


There is even a book that covers just that series of patterns.

Trime

Michael (Conder 101),
I was not aware of the book on Standard Patterns. What is the reference? Sounds like my kind of reading.

Conder101

Sorry my error, I was thinking it was the Standard Silver series, it wasn't. It was the Postage Currency patterns of 1863. I tend to confuse those two because the one is labeled postage currency and the other was intended for the redemption of the fractional and Postage currency.

Trime

Conder101,
Too bad.