Long lost "brother" found!!!

spy88

I was going thru Heritage latest auction and came to the 58-D MS67FS. Did the pan/zoom on the reverse and imagine my surprise to find an EXACT die crack match to the one on mine!

Here is theirs.

58-D

Here is mine.



And the reverse with the die crack.



I wonder what the odds were of my finding this one up for bid with the same die crack in the exact same place? Now, who has the better grade 58-D? Anybody vote for mine?? Also, I think theirs is a 5FS and mine is a solid 6FS!

David

spy88

ttt one time

spy88

ttt last time

edsondl

You have a very sharp eye there.

I am intrigued by die cracks that are not straight.

relayer

Coin topis don't do well here.

I guess you're looking closely at these, because it doesn't show up in the normal picture

Peaceman

I'm not sure how common cracks are on your series coin... but for Peace $ they bring no premium and there are thousands with the exact same crack....

Now if it were a break with chunks of metal poping out......

spy88

edsondl, that you for answering. As you saw, the two die cracks are in the exact same spot with the exact same design. This is an indication of how close they both were to each other in the mint process. Both early die state, sharp strike and bold steps.

relayer, you have to use the pan/zoom feature to see the crack on the reverse of Heritage 58-D. And I promise to never start another thread with a coin as the topic.

Peaceman, die cracks are a common theme throughout mintage history for all denominations. I know they do not bring a premium nor did I ask what it would be. I only point out (as I said to edsondl) that they were minted fairly close together time-wise, because of the die cracks.

Thank you all for replying.

melikecoins

I have 2 of those

Glen

Wolf359

Hmmm. I think that's a die gouge, not a crack. In other words tool marks.

seanq

I made a high-end MS66FS '58-D last year, but I don't own it any more and my pictures aren't high enough resolution to find the die markers.

One question - would that die have created a high instance of full-step strikes because of some characteristic inherent in the die itself, or because it was set up in a press with the correct conditions (i.e., high striking pressure)? Based on what I know about FS nickels I suspect tha latter, but I'd be interested to hear other opinions.


Sean Reynolds

spy88

Sean, I personally think it is just a matter of these MS67 Jeffs all having been struck early with the dies. Higher pressure (IMO) doesn't come into play as the longer the same dies are used, the more wear and tear to the die thus the coin. As Jack pointed out, this may be a die gouge instead of a die break. As a tooling mark, I am not sure what this entails or means (why they would do so). If they are breaks, it may have finally given out and the stampers had to replace it with an older die---thus lower strikes and less or no steps. If Keets were to answer up, he could very likely shed light on the subject.

Actually, my 58-D has three such breaks/gouges. The main one pictured, another just to the right of it running straight up just left of pillar 1 and a third on the other side of Monticello running up between the two windows directly above the middle of the "L" and "O" in Monticello. Very faint, but there. Could not verify the other two on the Heritage coin with certainty, especially the third, but there is indication of the second using the pan/zoom.

David