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The Friday Night Discussion Topic - Pick out the AT Kennedy and Why

We often talk about AT coins and a lot of times it's blatantly obvious, but not always, especially for our newer friends on the boards. So, I thought we'd revisit this topic with a slightly off beat subject, toned Kennedies, which are becoming more and more popular. Before I give my view on these three, please vote, and even if it's blatantly obvious to you, please give your reasoning so that some of our newer members can perhaps chime in or just read what you have to say.

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  • Coin 1 is AT to get some value out of an otherwise worthless specimen. Coin two is also AT to cover up the Fingerprint....image
  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140
    Ken - what makes you think coins 1&2 are AT and not coin 3?
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I think all three are AT.

    Coin #1 - The gold is too uniform and on both sides of the coin.
    Coin #2 - The silver content coins don't tone with spotches of neon purple. The cupro coins sometimes can, but not the silver.
    Coin #3 - Looks like end roll, but on both sides?

    Russ, NCNE
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>toned Kennedies, which are becoming more and more popular >>



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  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140


    << <i><< toned Kennedies, which are becoming more and more popular


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    Says the owner of the psychodelic Frankie - just remember - only one year separates your Frankie from these Stman - you'll be posting one of your own soon image
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    I'm sure Frank is up to his tricks here and is going to tell us all 3 are NT but I would have to say all are AT. All three look sprinkled with your favorite chemicals and baked at 350.
  • jomjom Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Define "AT". image

    jom
  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140
    Good question JOM - for purposes of this discussion let's call AT any process whereby some chemical agent or other form of catalyst has been purposely used to alter the color on a coin. How's dat? image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    So NT would be any process whereby some chemical agent or other form of catalyst has been accidentally used to alter the color on a coin. image

    Russ, NCNE
  • PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭✭
    1. potato; no heat.
    2. fingerprint matches the one on the blow-torch
    3. NT, WAG


    Joe
    The Philadelphia Mint: making coins since 1792. We make money by making money. Now in our 225th year thanks to no competition. image
  • Frank, just a gut feeling. No particular reason....Ken.....PS, did you get these from Marty???
  • PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭✭
    Ken, get some sleep. You got a long ride tomorrow. Remember to pickup those '64 pr69 D/C for me tomorrow. All of 'em. Keep an eye out for that '64 Franklin, too. Why else would all those Frankieheads be heading for Baltimore.

    Joeimage
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  • Hey Joe! (That was the name of a song!!), whats a Frankie?....image
  • PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭✭
    I stopped using frankies to level the washing machine when I realized that all of my '64 Kennedys might have been made from the '64 Franklins that were melted down in December,1963.

    (Sorry for the highjack.)

    Joe
    The Philadelphia Mint: making coins since 1792. We make money by making money. Now in our 225th year thanks to no competition. image
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Says the owner of the psychodelic Frankie - just remember - only one year separates your Frankie from these Stman - you'll be posting one of your own soon >>



    You are correct Mr. Frank. Hey, if you give me as good a deal as Russ did on the Franklin..... I'd be happy to post one of your AT JFK's.image Or perhaps you can beat the deal Russ gave me. He sent the Franklin for free. If you'd like to pay me to take the JFK just let me know.
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  • OK - quit talking about Frankies or else I'll have to post some! image

    To the best of my ability to tell what's what, Number one I believe is what I would call Naturally Toned, or at least not artificially toned. On the one hand, the gold toning on both sides could very well be due to dip residue, however, the color on the coin is too deep in my estimation to actually be residue. I believe that this coin toned in an album. There is a ring of orange/red around the perifery of both sides of the coin, and, like on Morgans, the toning stops at the rims for the most part and doesn't creep over it. Something that in my mind is very hard to accomplish. The colors also flow very nicely one into the other in a predictable pattern. So whether there was any dip involved or not, I believe that the toning on this coin would be at very least "market acceptable".

    The Number three coin is also a naturally toned coin, and I believe this to be either an envelope toned coin, or possibly also an album toned coin. This would explain the toning on both sides of the coin. The coin is primarily copper and gold toned with some blues thrown in for good measure. Again you see a flow of colors that's very easy on the eyes, you also see the toning go right up to the rims, but not over them. In addition the colors are "expected colors" on these coins. I have several that have similar patterns and colors, the latter coming from the ends of original rolls.

    The AT culprit in my mind therefore is coin number 2. First, on the obverse you see unusual splotchy coloration which doesn't flow smoothly. The neon purple/blues are odd colors, to the point that they take you aback when you see them. In addition, the colors bleed over the edges on most of the coin. On the reverse you clearly see the big splotch of neon purple/blue and that color just doesn't happen naturally on silver. As such, my hunch is that this coin was exposed to some chemical agents that caused this coloration pattern.

    So there you have it - my view on this subject - take it appart or add to it as you see fit image
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Frank, I've seen many toned Morgans that the color came over the rim yet still natural bag toning.

    BTW, that word you all use for Franklin's is starting to make me cringe just like that word for new purchases.
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