Clad Dime Full bands Rarity Scale
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This might be usefull for some, so i will share my opinion on the difficulty of clad dimes to acheive pcgs ms66FB level and above for 1984-1998. This will be updated periodically. Some of these dates and mints I have had a huge sample to develop my weighting and others not as many. Please feel free to scrutinize and help me update. In no way have i used the populations to sway my weightings. if only 500 sets have been reveiwed for one date and 10,000 sets for another there is no way we can assume based on graded populations how difficult each coins is to obtain in pcgs ms66FB and above. I plan on filling in 1965-1983 a later date as well as updating this piece. 5 is average difficulty and 10 is the very hardest:
1984-P 5
1984-D 6
1985-P 5
1985-D 5
1986-P 8
1986-D 9
1987-P 9
1987-D 7
1988-P 5
1988-D 5
1989-P 5
1989-D 4
1990-P 10
1990-D 8
1991-P 9
1991-D 10
1992-P 7
1992-D 6
1993-P 6
1993-D 8
1994-P 5
1994-D 8
1995-P 7
1995-D 8
1996-P 4
1996-D 4
1996-W 4
1997-P 6
1997-D 5
1998-P 6
1998-D 8
1984-P 5
1984-D 6
1985-P 5
1985-D 5
1986-P 8
1986-D 9
1987-P 9
1987-D 7
1988-P 5
1988-D 5
1989-P 5
1989-D 4
1990-P 10
1990-D 8
1991-P 9
1991-D 10
1992-P 7
1992-D 6
1993-P 6
1993-D 8
1994-P 5
1994-D 8
1995-P 7
1995-D 8
1996-P 4
1996-D 4
1996-W 4
1997-P 6
1997-D 5
1998-P 6
1998-D 8
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Are you searching mint sets or rolls?
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
Best Franklin Website
I have been looking and so far very few.
Glen
Wondercoin
being a 2 or 3 based on your numerical scale. Using your scale I'll list my weights next to yours below.
Knowing how many thousands of Roosies you've looked at I would put more value in your numbers then
mine.
1984-P 5 3
1984-D 6 6
1985-P 5 5
1985-D 5 4
1986-P 8 8
1986-D 9 9
1987-P 9 9
1987-D 7 7
1988-P 5 6
1988-D 5 7
1989-P 5 4
1989-D 4 3
1990-P 10 10
1990-D 8 9
1991-P 9 9
1991-D 10 10
1992-P 7 8
1992-D 6 6
1993-P 6 7
1993-D 8 9
1994-P 5 5
1994-D 8 7
1995-P 7 7
1995-D 8 9
1996-P 4 4
1996-D 4 5
1996-W 4 2
1997-P 6 7
1997-D 5 7
1998-P 6 5
1998-D 8 7
Well I guess I differed more then I thought I would. Now lets work on the early dates.
Onlyroosies
Your posts really show off one of the real values of this board. The information you two have complied is useful and important to those who collect clad dimes. And your willingness to share is truly generous!
Mark
On the other hand, want to talk Roosies? Pick up the phone and call me anytime. I am usually available to discuss modern coins like these Roosies generally 18 hours a day, 6 days a week as many of you already know
Wondercoin
I want to add one more point on this for now. ms66 and above FB may be doable on some of these but ms67fb and even ms68fb is another issue and the scale does not hold. It is only a gem Fb scale for the propensity to find a nice fullbands clad coin - it does not take into account the real high end stuff which is currently way, way undervalued in my opinion.
By the way, I'm going to analyze Only roosies adjustemnts and compare them to mine and come up with a new list that hopefully we can agree on for the time being. I agree with many of his numbers right off the top. We have the benefit of helping each other on this.
Mitch, I see your conflict of interest point but i really think this should be used as a springboard of knowledge and/or information that can be used to stimulate the retail sales in the market for those that are gun shy because they do not know. Many of these dates have been hit real hard by me and i feel justified to speak up on the ones i know about. Again, the coins in 7fb and 8fb are a different deal completely and those are the coins Mitch is selling. There will be a huge void of these types of coins in the coming months and prices will rise due to lack of product.
understand what all the fuss is about. They look at a mint set or two and are likely to see
a real nice clad dime that's almost gemmy. It just lacks a little in strike or maybe has a few
too many marks and they believe that if they just looked at a few more coins they'll find a
truly super coin. Many also believe that there are mountains of these in rolls and bags and
believe that the one and a half or two milion mint sets which were produced each year are
just waiting for somone to come along and grab the millions of gems in them. In point of fact
there are no mountains of BU rolls and bags. Part of the reason for this is that these coins
generally looked so bad that few saw much point in saving them. There were very few col-
lectors so even the varieties were not identified until years after issue in many cases. This
also tended to suppress the news of a variety since papers avoided publishing information
which was usually of no interest to their readers. This left mostly just the mint sets which
traded at less than face value for many years. This caused many sets to be destroyed since
buyers usually paid less than the bank for the coins. Very heavy cutting occurred in '89 as
dealers were experiencing a cash crunch and looking for ways to buy more of the hot coins
which were increasing in price on almost a daily basis. Thy were destroyed in large numbers
in the mid '90's when their prices bottomed out (even the '73 set got down to near face value).
And they are being destroyed today as collectors are buying them to create date and mint sets
of moderns and are seeking the high grade coins of the last couple generations.
While the dimes are likely to be the easiest of the moderns to find in MS-65, they are not nec-
essarily easy to find in any of the higher grades and few are easy to find with the crisp full
strike which is necessary to have a shot at FB.
While I have paid a great deal of attention to strike, my primary interest has long been to just
find these coins with a full strike and minimum marking. So while this is something of comparing
apples and oranges, I've attempted to adjust the experts' lists with my own assessment of the
availability of high grade dimes from memory.
1984-P 5 3 (-)
1984-D 6 6
1985-P 5 5 (-)
1985-D 5 4 (-)
1986-P 8 8 (+)
1986-D 9 9
1987-P 9 9 (+)
1987-D 7 7
1988-P 5 6
1988-D 5 7 (+)
1989-P 5 4
1989-D 4 3 (+)
1990-P 10 10
1990-D 8 9
1991-P 9 9
1991-D 10 10
1992-P 7 8
1992-D 6 6
1993-P 6 7
1993-D 8 9
1994-P 5 5
1994-D 8 7
1995-P 7 7
1995-D 8 9
1996-P 4 4
1996-D 4 5
1996-W 4 2 (-)
1997-P 6 7
1997-D 5 7
1998-P 6 5
1998-D 8 7
(-) easier, (+) harder. I have much less experience with the later date issues.
I would add one comment regarding the scale in use. Typically when I develop a rating scale (academic research) the bottom is a 1. Here the bottom is a 2. All this does is raise the floor a bit and really what counts is the relative position of the coins. Thanks again for the great dataset!!
will trully turn out to be the keys in FB. Where a coin is rated a 9 today because thousands have
been searched and only 1 or 2 found in 66FB or higher doesn't mean that next month the right
batch of mint sets or rolls that possess 10 more gem FB aren't found. I keep a spread sheet on
every Roosie from 46 to date with a rarity scale for FB in MS66 and higher. I adjust the scale
at least twice a month based on information I receive. Most if not all of the adjustments recently
seem to be in the clads. Knowing that a large quantity of clad Roosies were submitted to PCGS
recently and seeing the results led to several adjustments both up and down. Most notably was the
98D. Two weeks ago I would have rated the coin a 9-10. Today I rate it a 7 and a weak 7 at that.
Now take the 95D. I pushed my rating up on that coin from two weeks ago.
What I'm saying is the list that is being provided in this thread is by no means an absolute and
should be used for reference only, and only until the next pop report comes out.
I totally agree with Mark that true gem MS67FB and MS68FB Roosies are scarce and as more
collectors come into the series these coins will virtually disappear.
I understand Mitch not wanting to comment on Mark's FB rarity scale. With Moderns every
weak could present a new valuation for any given coin in any given series, Both up and
down.
Onlyroosies
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What I'm saying is the list that is being provided in this thread is by no means an absolute and
should be used for reference only, and only until the next pop report comes out.
I totally agree with Mark that true gem MS67FB and MS68FB Roosies are scarce and as more
collectors come into the series these coins will virtually disappear.
I understand Mitch not wanting to comment on Mark's FB rarity scale. With Moderns every
weak could present a new valuation for any given coin in any given series, Both up and
down.
Onlyroosies >>
This is both the greatest strenght and greatest weakness of these coins. The uncertainty makes
one search everywhere for the rare varieties and the rare grades but it is difficult to know what a
fair valuation is for the coin when it's found or offered for sale. This area will remain ripe for those
with a pioneering spirit for at least a couple more years.
Eventually we'll see our neighbor's camp fire and know that it's time to move on.