I was feeling ornery this morning

RobBobGolf · March 9, 2004 8:08PM

so I sent a note to this guy.

Spam Listing

My note;
"Just a heads up. You forgot to list this card as having a stain in your description. (ST) qualifier should be noted. Have a nice day."

Just was feeling POed about having to click and read this auction and waste my time. Thanks for letting me vent!
Should I receive a reply, I will forward it.

RobBob

BigKidAtHeart · March 9, 2004 10:38PM

I can tell you from experience that
SOMETIMES it is simply a mistake
that it is not listed.

I Always list any qualifier in the title
and the auction description
(as well as providing a Large scan
in the description so they can see it!)
but the other night I was listing several
things late and I was going fast and was tired
and Even though I put the (OC) in the
description, I simply forgot to type it in the title...
(I was using the "Relist Similar Item" feature
from one listing to another, and did not catch the change)
1981 Topps #574 - RICKEY HENDERSON - PSA 9
and it was not until I noticed that I had a bid
on it a day later that I caught the error and now
it can not be changed....

So do not be very hard on this guy...
it MIGHT have been an honest mistake!

PlayBall · March 9, 2004 11:21PM

BigKid,

You must have been really tired. It's not a Topps card either.

ctsoxfan · March 9, 2004 11:22PM

Given the fact that he used the very annoying "PSA 9 L@@K" in his auction title, and also declined to mention it in his description...I'd say it was intentional.

Aknot · March 9, 2004 11:54PM

OK. since this is brought up and I read a little already on the qualifier. So it is a 9 with a qual. W/O the "stain" what would it be? What would the difference in price be? Say a 8 is $20 a 9 is $50 what would a 9w/Q go for? If anyone has "examples" or a good explaination It would be appreciated.

Thanks

mrmr · March 10, 2004 2:10AM

<< <i>OK. since this is brought up and I read a little already on the qualifier. So it is a 9 with a qual. W/O the "stain" what would it be? What would the difference in price be? Say a 8 is $20 a 9 is $50 what would a 9w/Q go for? If anyone has "examples" or a good explaination It would be appreciated.

Thanks >>

I never understood that about PSA, and no one has ever given me a satisfactory explanation.
If a card would be a 9, but it's "stained". doesn't that make it not a 9?
What if it has a crease? Is it a 9 but creased? I would think something like a stain
would be taken into account in the grade, and make it a 6 or 7.
I've got tons of "9"s but they're all bent. I guess those would be graded "9" bent.

Stone193 · March 10, 2004 2:21AM

Aknot
PSA had explained it basically as: If you have a Grade X and it has a qualifier Y, then the basic downgrade would be X-2 - they said they felt this was a "guide" since eye appeal and DEGREE of off-centering e.g. would have to be factored in. Now on the registry: isn't it true for factoring set value that a qualifier takes 2 grades off the graded card?
Mike

Aknot · March 10, 2004 2:33AM

So if I understand correctly a 9 with a Q would really be a 7 since "all around" w/o the "stain" it would be a 9 so over look this 7 that would be a 9 if it didnt have a stain but we are grading it a 9Q.

AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

*pop*

That popping sound was my brain.......

TexasHeatWave · March 10, 2004 9:39AM

RobBob,

Glad you did it. I'm one of those idiots who from time to time will not look as close as I should at a card. About a month ago I saw a Nolan Ryan Rookie and the auction header said it was a PSA 8 and did not indicate that it had a qualifier. When I first looked at it, there was less than 3 minutes left on the auction and it was going for $300. I almost sh_t myself and only quickly read through the description and very quickly looked at the picture. I should have known by the current price to take some extra time, but I got a bit "overwhelmed" and did only the basic look over and bid. Won the auction at a little over $450.00. In what I thought was my glory, I went back and started looking closer to figure out why no one bid it up more (I bid way more than I won it for). It was only then the OC qualifier.

Still not too bad a price for an Ryan Rookie 8(OC), but I would rather have spent my money on something else. The OC is top to bottom and is not too bad, close to 60/40. So over all I've justified what happened, but still, I wish he would have put OC on the header or in the description.

ctsoxfan · March 10, 2004 1:46PM

That is precisely why sellers like this "forget" to include the qualifier in their descriptions, but show a small scan of the card to protect themselves. Hopefully, in the heat of a bidding frenzy trying to get a good deal, you will not notice this important fact...just like you described Texasheatwave. Nice way to make a buyer unhappy right from the start.

Beachbum · March 10, 2004 1:53PM

Heck...I couldn't care less about your post, but your sig line intrigues me.

I happen to know the family whose product you tout and always loved it ; when they told me they were going to franchise their idea, I had an opportunity to be the first franchisee....sorry I didn't take them up on it.

Just curious RobBob......

BigKidAtHeart · March 10, 2004 2:18PM

<< <i>BigKid,

You must have been really tired. It's not a Topps card either. >>

DOH!

man that was bad!
I canceled it and relisted it.
(and corrected what I could find.....)
~jeff

RobBobGolf · March 10, 2004 7:58PM

Beachbum

Wow, you know the Tumolos? Very cool. Rita's has been a big hit down here in Maryland. So, as of December I am a Rita's Franchise owner. Currently scouting out real estate for a location in my territory, and shooting for a March '05 opening. Our local Rita's opened last Friday, and it was 70 degrees that day, the place was packed. My wife & I have had a Sunday ritual for 4 years, after dinner we go to Rita's. She gets a regular Gelati, and I get a Large Misto. After watching the business grow & grow, we decided to give it a shot on our own. So, this is most likely my last year for buying cards for a while, ferverently trying to complete a few sets before next March.
Looks like I will be in Bensalem a few times a year.

RobBob

Aknot · March 10, 2004 8:37PM

Fellow Easy Coasters...... Me in Virginia.

Stone that explaination while a "good" one (I know you are just quoting them) is questionable. So if I have a rookie of joe blow and the card is GEM MINT except for this big bend in the middle it gets a 10 w/ Q (if 10s cant have a Q then make it a 9) it would be VERY misleading to somene (Me) that did not know about qualifiers. It is (in my opinion) either a 10 or NOT a 10. I mean if a qualifier "knocks" off 2 grades why not have that represented. If I see a "6" and to my eye or the eyes of others it looks BETTER then an average 6, I may pay a little more. I see a 9 and see a "major" flaw I am going to think twice about; the company that graded it, the guy that graded it, and the guy that sells it, AND maybe his dog. Now that I know I will be extra careful but what about "average joe" that wants to pick up that card for his son? Pretty confusing/unneccesary if you ask me.

When did the qualifier "thing" start? And then why did it start. Enquiry minds want to know????

I was feeling ornery this morning

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