2004 UK 5 Pound Commemorative - picture added

trozau

A new five pound commemorative coin is scheduled to be released the 15th March. It is the Entente Cordiale commemorative coin celebrating the centenary of the Anglo French pact, depicting Brittania and Marianne with a face value of £5. So far, nothing on the BRM web site.

Photos of this coin, depicting the reverse design have already started to appear in some areas of the UK national press, as ads for advance orders. The reverse of the coin was designed by David Gentleman and bears a portrait of the conjoined female icons Britannia and Marianne, one is "upside down" to the other, and the reverse inscription is Entente Cordiale 1904-2004, the edge is milled and the obverse is the current QE II bust designed by Ian Rank-Broadley.

I am curious to see this coin with Britannia and Marianne. Any of our UK members have a picture they can scan and post for us? TIA

cosmicdebris

SOunds interesting. Too bad the markup on this coin will put it at $900 to $1000

trozau

For the commem crowns, they issue a silver version. If it is also a circulating commem, they will have BU and proof cupro-nickel versions, as well.

historygeek

Would it be a good idea to wait for the secondary market on this one?

laurentyvan

I'll enjoy seeing this coin-a boon for Marianne collectors.

trozau

Haven't found a picture yet but I found some more info on the different issues planned to be minted:

GOLD COIN

1. (1) A new gold coin of the denomination of five pounds shall be made, being a coin of a standard diameter of 38.608 millimetres, and being circular in shape.
(2) In the making of the said gold coin a variation from the said standard diameter of not more than 0.1 millimetres per coin shall be allowed.

PLATINUM PIEDFORT COIN

2. (1) A new platinum coin of the denomination of five pounds shall be made, being a coin of a standard weight of 94.200 grammes, and a standard diameter of 38.608 millimetres, and being circular in shape.
(2) In the making of the said platinum coin a remedy (that is, a variation from the said standard weight specified above) shall be allowed of an amount not exceeding the following, that is to say, a variation from the said standard weight of an amount per coin of 0.800 grammes.
(3) In the making of the said platinum coin a variation from the said standard diameter of not more than 0.125 millimetres per coin shall be allowed.
(4) The said platinum coin may contain impurities of 0.3 of one per centum.
(5) The said platinum coin shall be current and shall be legal tender for payment of any amount in any part of Our United Kingdom.
(6) The composition of the standard trial plates to be used for determining the justness of the said platinum coin shall be pure platinum.

STANDARD SILVER COIN

3. (1) A new silver coin of the denomination of five pounds shall be made, being a coin of a standard weight of 28.2759 grammes, and a standard diameter of 38.608 millimetres, and a standard composition of thirty-seven-fortieths fine silver and three-fortieths alloy (that is, 925 parts per thousand fine silver), and being circular in shape.
(2) In the making of the said silver coin a remedy (that is, a variation from the said standard weight and composition specified above) shall be allowed of an amount not exceeding the following, that is to say:
(a) a variation from the said standard weight of an amount per coin (measured as the average of a sample of not more than one kilogramme of the coin) of 0.1296 grammes; and
(b) a variation from the said standard composition of five parts per thousand fine silver.
(3) In the making of the said silver coin a variation from the said standard diameter of not more than 0.125 millimetres per coin shall be allowed.
(4) The said silver coin shall be legal tender for payment of any amount in any part of Our United Kingdom.

SILVER PIEDFORT COIN

4. (1) A new silver coin of the denomination of five pounds shall be made, being a coin of a standard weight of 56.5518 grammes, and a standard diameter of 38.608 millimetres, and a standard composition of thirty-seven-fortieths fine silver and three-fortieths alloy (that is, 925 parts per thousand fine silver), and being circular in shape.
(2) In the making of the said silver coin a remedy (that is, a variation from the said standard weight and composition specified above) shall be allowed of an amount not exceeding the following, that is to say:
(a) a variation from the said standard weight of an amount per coin (measured as the average of a sample of not more than one kilogramme of the coin) of 0.2150 grammes; and
(b) a variation from the said standard composition of five parts per thousand fine silver.
(3) In the making of the said silver coin a variation from the said standard diameter of not more than 0.125 millimetres per coin shall be allowed.
(4) The said silver coin shall be legal tender for payment of any amount in any part of Our United Kingdom.

CUPRO-NICKEL COIN

5. (1) A new coin of cupro-nickel of the denomination of five pounds shall be made, being a coin of a standard weight of 28.2759 grammes, and a standard diameter of 38.608 millimetres, and a standard composition of seventy-five per centum copper and twenty-five per centum nickel, and being circular in shape.
(2) In the making of the said cupro-nickel coin a remedy (that is, a variation from the said standard weight and composition specified above) shall be allowed of an amount not exceeding the following, that is to say:
(a) a variation from the said standard weight of an amount per coin (measured as the average of a sample of not more than one kilogramme of the coin) of 0.1296 grammes; and
(b) a variation from the said standard composition of two per centum.
(3) In the making of the said cupro-nickel coin a variation from the said standard diameter of not more than 0.125 millimetres per coin shall be allowed.
(4) The said cupro-nickel coin may contain impurities of 0.75 of one per centum.
(5) The said cupro-nickel coin shall be legal tender for payment of any amount in any part of Our United Kingdom.

DESIGN OF THE COINS

6. The design of the said coins shall be as follows:
“For the obverse impression Our effigy with the circumscription ‘ELIZABETH.II D.G.REG.F.D’ and the denomination ‘FIVE POUNDS’ and for the reverse the combined figures of Britannia and Marianne, with the words ‘ENTENTE CORDIALE’ and the dates ‘1904’ and ‘2004’. The coins shall have a graining upon the edge.”

Aethelred

Sounds interesting! Could be a great design, but I can also see how it could turn out looking like tripe.

Shipcoin

Yes very interesting, and I also eager to see some pics of that hybride

trozau

linky-dinky to seller ad

historygeek

Sigh, another disappointment.

wybrit

At least Britannia is on top!

Aethelred

FUGLY!

Donovan

<< <i>FUGLY! >>




ditto.

trozau

Tough crowd.

farthing

For some reason it reminds me of Jesters old icon.

cosmicdebris

I wish they had a larger image.

trozau

<< <i>I wish they had a larger image. >>



Here ya go ...

cosmicdebris

Ewwwwwwwwwwwww Britannia looks like a man.

cosmicdebris

SOLD OUT

wybrit

I wish they had a larger image.

Be careful what you wish for. Yech!

historygeek

I hate these modern issues. I want to deface the dies.

jasbucks

I'm so confused I want one of those commemoratives too. The BRM is sold out but that link of Trozau's earlier in the thread for Westminsters has them, Crown & Piedfort gold & Plat. & Silver I'm sure they're a bit more but they got um. Does the link have a sarcastic meaning? I wanted to get some of those Brittannias' too! The ones with the graceful lady not the bonnett. Some of those Brit coins I've been checkin out at the BRM are really pricie for the weight ya get. What up with that? Torzau, your icon coin is awsome! I'd get a bunch of those n Silver if I could!

Jack

trozau

Jack,

I have a feeling that the BRM is not ready to sell the Entente Cordiale in the US yet and that is why they are coming up as sold out (Even in the UK site, they are only selling the BU copper nickel). Give it some time (about a month). You are right about the BRM issue prices being high. Always better to wait for the secondary market. For Britannias in silver, a forum member silvereaglecoins sell them. Here's a link to their web site.

drjules

I know what you mean about the BRM website, the base metal versions of the new 5 pound seem to have sold out as soon as they were issued, the website still says updated 8th March so I guess that is when they sold out - seems very surprising in on eday though! I have emailed Westminster Mint to ask if they have the base metal versions and will keep this list informed.

As for the Britannias - the royal mint just seems to command whatever price it wants. I bought 2002, 2003 and 2004 through the mint and received excellent quality coins and I have been lucky picking up the other through ebay, I can't recall getting any problems with any of them. The regular ones are very high priced for bullion but it's the (low mintage) proofs that really catch the eye.

;-J

jasbucks

Torzau Thanks so very much for the scoop & the link! I'm headin out tomorrow to pick up a couple of Lb'ers I've comitted to. Should be fun as I've only done business by phone thus far. I'll check to see if they have some of thos Britannias as well & possibly bulk up my order to get out of paying Ca. Sales Tax. If not I'll head over to the link you referenced.
Secondly, I'm not sure if I should thank you or hate you as I followed your link to your site & saw the 81' Proof UK 5er. What a beautiful coin! I gotta get one of those too....Oh geez.....Here I go again



Thanks again
Jack

trozau

jasbucks

Trozau I found some of those 81' Proof UK 5lbers' Why such a large price spread? Any Links you'de recommend?????

spoon

That Britannia almost makes the queen look nice!!

At least the Marianne isn't so truck-driverish