Is this what is considered to be a "rattler"
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I hear references to PCGS "rattlers".
This one rattles - what type of slab is this considered to be?
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How do think Miss Liberty got lyin' on her back?
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It has a green pcgs label on the back and the insert is on green perforated paper which looks to have been printed on a dot matrix printer.
When would this have been slabbed?
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Nice coin, BTW!
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<< <i>Nice coin, BTW! >>
with all th hub-bub about posting coins with questionable motives, I couldn't in good faith tell you it is for sale, you would have to go to this thread on the b/s/t board to find that out.
John
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Why, Krazyglue of course!
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lucy lusting my surgeon's quality fingers again.
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About February, 1986 to about August, 1989.
<< <i>Show us the back label and we'll tell you whether or not it's authentic. >>
Don't need to see the back of it.
According to the PCGS Certification Database, certification number 01270011 is defined as the following:
COIN INFORMATION
Date, mintmark: 1884-CC
Denomination: S$1
Variety: N/A
Country: USA
Grade: MS64
not to be a fly in the ointment, but if the counterfieter was smart, he'd have used already existing cert. numbers. as a matter of fact, that's what was done. the only certain way that i know to tell the genuine from the fake is in the size/thickness of the raised holder where the two halves join.
al h.
In this case, it was being sold be a regular here. I don't think he would sell a bogus slab, and the coin looks good to me. Good enough to put my money where my mouth is, I bought it.
the coin that Frank is holding is just two halves of a shell with the central hole for each individual size coin.
the succeeding holders have a similar shell that's joined together, but they also have a pliable inner ring sized to the coin which holds it much tighter. it's a better idea and probably easier for the sealer.
al h.
you have to consider that they were made by criminals and like i said, if the counterfieter was smart...........
al h.
<< <i>In this case, it was being sold be a regular here. I don't think he would sell a bogus slab, and the coin looks good to me. Good enough to put my money where my mouth is, I bought it. >>
I have no indication to lead me to believe it is not genuine. However, if Eric determines the slab is a "fugazy", I will gladly refund his money and the cost of insured shipping back to me.
Of course, there is a really nice coin in that slab, and Eric has a keen enough eye to appreciate the coin, as well as the slab.
Nonetheless, if it isn't genuine, the refund window is open.
By the way, the MO is on the way.
The key is the position of the I in service below the word grading above it.
This is a genuine label. The I in Service is just left of center below the DI in GRADING. Also the serifs of the letters are at a 45 degree angle.
This is a fake label. On this one the I is below the inner curve of the D in GRADING. Well left of where itis on the genuine label. The letter serifs are also vertical instead of angled, but this can be hard to see. I I is easily visible at arms length.
K6AZ, If you run into another fake slab PLEASE let me know. I am eager to acquire one.
This is amazing to me. In my business, I do and witness being done a lot of work to "match" type. There are thousands of typefaces, and I have had art directors on my staff who could spot subtle differences a mile away. Hell, I can even do a credible job myself.
Those two labels are so far apart, the laziest-azzed counterfieter in the western world had to make those phony labels.
I guess the difference really is in the details.
The other one I had was one that was given to me by a dealer about ten years ago. It was a 1895-S Morgan that had the mintmark removed, and was in the counterfeit holder as an 1895 AU50. I traded this to a friend for it's true value, who subsequently cracked the coin out, and sent the bogus slab pieces and label to PCGS.
If I do run across another one, I'll let you know. They do still turn up occasionally when older holdings are sold.
Dave
I do have a "rattler" holding an Ike and it is antique looking compared to the new holders.
Tom
Thanks again, John
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