A conditonally rare Frankie. Grades added.

mdwoods

PCGS MS66FBL Nearly all MS66FBL 57 Franklins are toned. This one is blast white.

millennium

Very nice coin md..What would you grade it?..

mdwoods

A year you rarely see with this kind of toning. PCGS MS65FBL.

mdwoods

<< <i>Very nice coin md..What would you grade it?.. >>



Both coins are in PCGS slabs. Both are FBL.

jonesy

Woodie!! That's my birth year!! PM me for my address, so you can send it to me!!

FC57Coins

Very nice Woodie - beats the hell outta those canadian pennies you got

mdwoods

<< <i>Very nice Woodie - beats the hell outta those canadian pennies you got >>



You love those Canadian cents and you know it.

mdwoods

PCGS MS66FBL

XpipedreamR

Awesome toners!

puff

Me likem the toned ones!

Shamika

The '63 is extra nice!

mdwoods

Thanks for the nice words. I added the grades.

LucyBop

that white coin is a rarity in that Ultra Gem Grade!

foodude

Wow, a blast white '57 (actually all from '55-58 P&D) in 66FBL is quite a find! Congrats.

stman

Wow, and to think the only one I own is a 1963. And you guys say they're rare with toning?
Monster L@@K

bushmaster8

Woodie, now that you have a starter coin, I challenge you to put together the whole Frankie set in white 66! Should only take you a couple decades.

There was a guy who had a real nice bag of 57's. He made several sixers from the bag and lots of fives. I have one of the 66fbl's in my registry set. I would venture a guess that no more than 10 or 12 exist in PCGS MS66 FBL White.

Russ

stman,

That one also looks like it's FBL. Submit that pup!

Russ, NCNE

Dennis88

aem4162

pretty franklin

keets

I would venture a guess that no more than 10 or 12 exist in PCGS MS66 FBL White.

...........and i would venture that absent the tone, a good percentage of the overall MS66FBL population would drop. while nice color adds to the appeal of high grade MS Franklins, it also helps hide contacts which would hold them back at the almost high water mark of 65.

hey stman

this isn't an AT thread, or is it??

al h.

Shamika

"and i would venture that absent the tone, a good percentage of the overall MS66FBL population would drop. while nice color adds to the appeal of high grade MS Franklins, it also helps hide contacts which would hold them back at the almost high water mark of 65."

I doubt anyone would say otherwise.

MadMonk

Woodie, nice Frankies there! I didnt know you appreciated them.

LucyBop

then I'll say otherwise...

I have looked at thousands of Franklins and specialize in them...

Toning doesn't hide contact marks.
sorry, if anything, toning will hide hairlines/fine scratches.....

but not contact/bagmarks......

bushmaster8

Lucy, I think I see what you are saying, and I agree with you. But I also agree with what Keets is saying.

I think its a matter of severity. Toning won't hide a milling mark, but it sure as heck can obfuscate luster breaks, shallow scrapes, and minimize the visual impact of small contact marks.

If you have ever tried to make a white 66 by dipping off the mint set toning of 66 Frankie, you know this to be true. It simply doesn't work. 99% of the time , you will see contact marks that are now apparent, that will keep the coin from grading 66 ever again.

LucyBop

i would neve dip a mint set toned coin to begin with for fear of possibly damaging the surface since most mint set coins have a thick oxide growth, on every single coin that is toned that i have seen, i can easily see contact marks and hits.....

if it was true that the toning covers hits/contact/bagmarks....

you would see much much higher pop numbers in Ultra Gem....

I have many a mint set toned ms65s that I wish the hit marks were covered by the toning....

bushmaster8

Ok, beat babe, but let me ask you this:

Have you seen lots of PCGS MS66 toner Franklins with obvious milling marks and or high point pitting? (YES!)

Have you seen many PCGS MS66 white Franklins with obvious milling marks and/or high point pitting?
(NO!)

While PCGS will grade a toned Franklin 66 with prominent bagmarks, they will not grade a white coin 66 with the same marks.

IrishMike

In a word "so". I am always amazed by what amazes us. Aren't you really amazed more by the prices he receives for the coins he sells?

LucyBop

simple, most GEMs come from mint sets and toned as they reacted to the cardboard.

I have seen and purchased many mint sets.... and many of them are bag marked galore, even with the toning...

I don't need to convince you, and you'll never convince me, becuase my experience suggests that toning doesn't cover bagmarks, hits, contact....

I've seen it over and over and over, if it were otherwise, then every single toned mint set would produce ms66's or better...

fact is, they don't, because PCGs can also see the many hits that most Franklins have, especially the D mints.......

bushmaster8

It's not that the toning "covers" the marks. But toning does reduce the negative visual impact the marks.

I guess we will just disagree on this.

cointime

Ditto. What Greg said.

Ken