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I traded for some great cards at "The Fort", '68 & '73 PSA 9 Willie Mays!

DavinoDavino Posts: 333 ✭
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I'm overjoyed, they were just graded and are so sharp. I traded an SGC 96 Bench rookie, a '68 Mantle (PSA 8), a '62 Banks (PSA 8), a '58 Brooks Robinson (PSA 8), and the following '68 PSA 9's=Gil Hodges, Ed Brinkman, & Don Sutton. In return I got a perfectly centered '67 Mantle PSA 7, a nice '74 PSA 8 Schmidt and the two mint Mays cards. Does this sound like a good deal?




EDITED TO NOTE THAT I HAVE ADDED SCANS BELOW!!!

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  • VirtualizardVirtualizard Posts: 1,936 ✭✭
    Ok, I'll bite. Are you serious?

    First, maybe I am missing something here, but you basically traded a bunch of high grade '50s & '60s HOFers for those four cards?

    Second, are the "two mint Mays cards" PSA 9? If so, this deal may be ok. Otherwise, I'd say you were on the losing end of that one.

    Hey, you asked a question and I gave my honest opinion. image


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  • VirtualizardVirtualizard Posts: 1,936 ✭✭
    Sorry, I missed it in your title. They are PSA 9 Mays cards.

    But, I'm still not so sure that was a great deal.

    I would have tried to cross the SGC 96 Bench to PSA. I also think that the other 6 cards could have easily brought in enough from ebay to purchase the 2 cards that you got, and leave a bit of spending money. The '74 Schmidt in PSA 8 is relatively inexpensive. Not sure about the PSA 7 Mantle, but I'd imagine that since it's not an 8, it will regularly sell at quite a discount.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this just doesn't sound like a good deal to me. I would have sold you a nice '74 Schmidt PSA 8 for quite a reasonable price and the '68 and '73 Mays cards can't be hard to find in PSA 9, can they?

    JEB.
  • DavinoDavino Posts: 333 ✭
    Virtualizard, thanks for responding! I showed the SGC 96 Bench to several dealers(707, Shoebox, etc), and they strongly felt it wouldn't cross to a PSA 9. The "68 Mantle was VERY strong, the '58 Brooks was nice, The '68 Hodges was O/C(for a 9, not marked O/C). The '73 Mays has a pop of 22 with none higher, and the '68 Mays has a pop of 30, with 1 Ten... Do you still think it's not a good deal, I appreciate your responses....
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    edited

    - if you like the trade then it is a good trade
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  • DavinoDavino Posts: 333 ✭
    1420sports, I wonder if you meant to say something prior to editing image. The pop of the Bench Rookie, assuming it crossed to a PSA 9, is 103, then would be 104. I think I got some much more desirable cards, no?
  • unishipuniship Posts: 492 ✭✭
    Sounds like the trade could go either way. Nothing wrong with mint Mays cards though. I would not sweat it, seems relatively fair with both sides having a decent shot at upside.
  • DavinoDavino Posts: 333 ✭
    I think so, it seemed good...
  • StumpStump Posts: 927 ✭
    Davino

    Sounds pretty close to me also. The 68 Mays is a fairly tough card. I know this because I have the number 2 set at 9.02 and dont have a Mays. I have seen it go between 800 and 1000 on ebay sometimes higher. The other 9's in 68 were no big deal(hodges,brinkman,sutton). Just bought a brinkman for 25 and sold a sutton for 40. The Bench if it crosses will be a 1000.00 I have had about a 60% success rate on crossing over SGC 96's. I am not sure I would of took the risk with the bench but did not have the opputunity to look at it. I have had 2 96's cross to 10's. You never know. All in all it looks like the trade was close.

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  • SUPERPUNK813SUPERPUNK813 Posts: 351 ✭
    Davino, Did you try to cross the SGC 96 to PSA before you traded the card? I have had very good luck crossing SGC cards to PSA at the same grade so if the Bench would have crossed id say you came out on the short end of this one but if the deal is done then it doesn't matter now anyway. Bottom line.....If you like the cards you got then you got a good deal.


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  • GlynparsonGlynparson Posts: 182
    Having seen the Bench rookie myself i would have said it was not going to cross, actually i would have given it a 10% chance of crossing just cause you never know ( had one none sharp corner) we all sometimes get a break, but i think he did fine on the trade and his 68 hodges was a really oc 9 so that held little value. i certainly dont think it was a blockbuster either way.
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  • EdsBaseballCardsEdsBaseballCards Posts: 32 ✭
    I think you did well. I almost bought the 2 mays and they were absolutely georgeous and perfectly centered. They SMR somewhere around $1800 and he offered them to me for $1400. Don't know why i didn't take them. I guess if he would have come down just a little more i would have. But all in all, i think you did well. My success rate with the crossovers hasn't been that great and personally would have done that deal myself. Congrats on a good one
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  • DavinoDavino Posts: 333 ✭
    Here are the scans of the cards in question: image




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    EDITED TO ADD: The whole point of this trade was to acquire stronger cards with more upside potential: Levi of 707 offered me $1000.00 for a '53 Bowman Color PSA 7 MUSIAL, a '69 TOPPS DECAL PSA 9 MAYS (1 of 2), the '58 PSA 8 BROOKS ROBBY, the '62 PSA 8 Banks and the Brinkman, Tiant, and Sutton. I think given the fact that the Bench Rookie would very likely not have crossed to a PSA 9, that I salvaged some VERY good cards.
  • DavinoDavino Posts: 333 ✭


    << <i>I think you did well. I almost bought the 2 mays and they were absolutely georgeous and perfectly centered. They SMR somewhere around $1800 and he offered them to me for $1400. Don't know why i didn't take them. I guess if he would have come down just a little more i would have. But all in all, i think you did well. My success rate with the crossovers hasn't been that great and personally would have done that deal myself. Congrats on a good one >>




    Ed, these Mays cards are BLAZERS, aren't they! The '58 Brooks was 60/40(white border), the Bench was "tilted" slightly, the '62 Banks was okay, the '68 Mantle was a blazing 8, and the '68 "9's" are very inexpensive to acquire. I traded the '58 Brooks straight up for the '67 Mantle, I really like this card.... Thanks for youe response Ed, and to everyone else, thanks also image
  • highendhighend Posts: 534 ✭
    davino- i'd have to agree with 1420, if you like the trade it's a good trade. also, you cant go wrong with the MINT 9 mays cards. i'm glad to here that you held on to your musial, IMO the 53 bowman musial is easily one of the top 10 cards of the 50's for aesthetic appeal. i can't really tell from the scan but i suspect the '67 mantle isn't in an 8 holder because of the top to bottom centering. i also think the 67 mantle is nicer card than the 68 issue. your trade in regards to monetary value is close enough. enjoy the cards.
  • SkycapSkycap Posts: 235
    Davino,

    You asked "Does this sound like a good deal?"

    If by "good deal" you meant monetarily (value-wise), I'd say definitely no. Fair deal -- perhaps, especially if you traded cards that you no longer wanted for cards that you had been particularly seeking for your collection.

    You indicated in your first post above that the 1967 PSA 7 Mantle is "perfectly centered." I don't mean to ruin your day, but this is absolutely not the case. It is clearly centered quite high, top to bottom -- maybe 30-70. In addition, the right-side edge appears to have three unsightly nicks. This is not a very attractive Mantle. It looks like a low-end 7 and lucky to have not been graded a 6. You said that you specifically traded the 1958 PSA 8 Brooks Robinson for it. I believe the other party got the better of you on this transaction, but if you're happy with it, so be it.

    The back of the 1968 Mays appears to have a small oval-shaped stain at the top of the cartoon area.

    Did you make these trades with a dealer .... or another collector?

    Skycap
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Trading with a dealer is usually going to amount to a dealer getting the edge. That is what they do. If these Mays cards were cards that you have been looking for and did not want to spend the money to get them well then you did great. If these cards that you got rid of served no purpose for your collection anymore than you did great. I just got back (again) and I traded some 33 Goudey HOF in PSA 3-4 for a 53 Bowman Mantle PSA 6. Based on SMR, I came out 120 behind. I was FINE with that. I did some quick calculations prior, realized I may get that price on eBay, thought about listing fees, shipping, Paypal %, etc, and said hell with it and made the trade. It is a great looking card that I have wanted and traded some cards that do not work for me anymore. So I think I did great.

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  • DavinoDavino Posts: 333 ✭
    Skycap, the trade was with a dealer. There appears to be a slight mark by the cartoon....
  • ydsotterydsotter Posts: 500 ✭
    Davino...

    I like that deal...
    Those PSA 9 Mays cards are beautiful...
    That 1973 would be the pride and joy of my collection... I love it...

    In terms of money...etc... I really don't know what the better trade is...

    but hey... you still have a mantle.... and

    you just added two psa 9 willie mays say hey kid cards to your collection...
    good job!

    Go out and Celebrate!



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  • kobykoby Posts: 1,699 ✭✭
    68 SGC 96 Bench
    68 PSA 8 Mantle
    62 PSA 8 Banks
    58 PSA 8 Robinson
    68 PSA 9 Hodges
    68 PSA 9 Brinkman
    68 PSA 9 Sutton

    67 PSA 7 Mantle
    74 PSA 8 Schmidt
    68 PSA 9 Mays
    73 PSA 9 Mays



    The Willie Mays cards are beautiful. I think you did well on this trade, especially if you don' think the SGC Bench would have crossed to PSA 9.


  • DavinoDavino Posts: 333 ✭


    << <i>The Willie Mays cards are beautiful. I think you did well on this trade, especially if you don' think the SGC Bench would have crossed to PSA 9. >>




    The key to the deal was unloading a marginal Bench Rookie(If it crossed to PSA 8, what kind of creek would I have been up?), for which I un(or under)-wittingly paid $700.00. The dealer wanted lower priced cards that he felt would move faster, so I provided him with that opportunity. I explained to him that it would be more likely to find a fan that greatly wanted/needed/was a huge fan of: Johnny Bench and wanted his rookie card than the elite collectors who would "need" a PSA 9 Mays(keeping in mind that he goes to lots of shows and has a shop), than the "high-level" collectore that recognizes the beauty and difficulty of the Mays cards when an 8 would suffice for most collectore(given the huge price difference).

    To illustrate the nuances of the deal:
    68 SGC 96 Bench PAID $705.00, SMR if crossed to PSA 9, =$950.00
    68 PSA 8 Mantle PAID $345.00, SMR =$430.00, just sold one for $370.00
    62 PSA 8 Banks PAID $135.00, SMR= $215.00
    58 PSA 8 Robinson PAID $205.00, SMR= $290.00
    68 PSA 9 Hodges PAID $ 79.00, SMR= $100.00
    68 PSA 9 Brinkman PAID $ 32.00, SMR= ?
    68 PSA 9 Sutton PAID $ 50.00, SMR= $85-$100
    Total PAID=$1551.00 TOTAL SMR IF THE BENCH CROSSED=$2135.00

    67 PSA 7 Mantle SMR= $265.00
    74 PSA 8 Schmidt SMR= $ 50.00
    68 PSA 9 Mays SMR= $ 900.00
    73 PSA 9 Mays SMR= $ 850.00
    TOTAL SMR= $2065.00


    The difference in "rarity" and desirability of the Mays cards made the deal a no-brainer for me, everyone's happy
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  • TipemTipem Posts: 881 ✭



    Davino,


    Your last statement says it all.image



    Vic
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  • rw2winrw2win Posts: 557 ✭
    Davino - You're selling your Mays???
  • DavinoDavino Posts: 333 ✭


    << <i>Davino - You're selling your Mays??? >>




    Yes, I have a very big deal that I'm doing so I'm selling the '68 Mays, and I've had some offers for the '73 so I will probably wind up selling that one also. Marshall is interested in the '73 so I will probably sell it to him.

    Dave
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