die clash morgans

safetymankwj

Hi everyone, got my Vam book this weekend and did not come up for much air. Tough job comparing coins to book. But the nicest thing was to find a die clash on a newly slabbed 1898-0 morgan. Sent it in and it came back MS-65. When i started looking at it low and behold there is an obvious die clash on the reverse. The point that most stnds out is between the left wing and the wreath. Also found spot over right wing into the "n" part of the motto. Sorry everyone no "E" found. Also on the obverse below the neck is another line. Pretty neat looking. Nice and white finish. Bought it raw on ebay with 4 others at the same time. How do you determine the value of die clashes and are they common or not. I also take it PCGS does not automatically record these if they see them. To me it is fairly obvious but I am not grading as many coins as those guys. Will try to take pics tonight when i get home.

safetymankwj

BTW, also enjoyed reading the history on the morgans as well. It seemede that Morgan was not well liked by Barber and others. Seems now days they would have been fighting. Seemed to move so slow then. Taking 7 to 10 days to make a die? Seems so odd now. They could only heat it and strike it once a day.

Conder101

<< <i>Seemed to move so slow then. Taking 7 to 10 days to make a die? Seems so odd now. They could only heat it and strike it once a day. >>


Until they went to the single squeeze method, it still took seven to ten days to make a die. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't still take about 5 days. It takes time to properly anneal the die blank. Proper softening of the steel is a function of time and temperature. You can't speed that up because if you don't cool the blank at the proper rate you won't get the softness you desire and the hubbing will fail. Likewise the hardening is also time and temperature. Change the heating or cooling rates and it will either be too brittle and break up quickly, or too soft and wear out very quickly. There is also a limit to how quickly the die blank can be machined into it's final shape. To always have dies available they are produced in batches and there are dies being created every day.

safetymankwj

I kinda thought now they would use lasers ot cut the dies thereby bypassing the need to use a master die to stamp new dies.

safetymankwj

gang i think everyone is right , if i keep the word morgan out of the topic, more people will read and respond to threads.

Dog97

How do you determine the value of die clashes and are they common or not? Well I hate to tell you this but they have no value & are very common except for the clashed E rev, of course. I still think they're cool & interesting though. They add character to a coin and make it a little different than all the other millions of Morgans.

Conder101

The only time they have used lasers in the creation of dies was with the recent Wildlife medals. And even on those the only thing the laser was use for was to etch the surface of the design to create the cameo frost.

safetymankwj

does the grading services identify die clashes or just me?