If this was whole thing is because I am pre-judged by some dealers I would rather not do business with them and put any money in their pockets.
Mike - Don't take it personally. EVERYBODY prejudges EVERYBODY, at least to some extent. There's nothing wrong with that. The key is keeping an open mind and quickly adjusting when the first impression turns out to be wrong. Some people do that better than others, but you should at least give them a chance by opening your mouth and giving them some information that might change their impression of you.
Andy Lustig
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It's okay buddy this guy wasn't worth your time or money. Sounds like this chap had a bug up his bottom long before you showed up. We both sound alike. I am also very quiet and don't say much myself, not big on conversation and I too would have just walked. Of course after I told him to kiss me white Irish bottom Sometimes the biggest statement one can make to those of lesser intelligence and up brining is to say nothing at all. Just brand him an imbecile and leave it at that you sir are the bigger man! I think I’d do the same as you. Not give up on shows or shops completely but I’d too stay away for a bit and stick to known territory where I feel comfortable. A dealer, or anyone one, in retail that judges a book by its cover loses big time! Just because a person looks a certain way does not mean they don’t have the means to make a large purchase.
What your problem is darktone is that dealers are resentful of cherrypickers! Basically what a cherrypicker does is bogart up the dealers area for hours @ a time just to pick 1 Mint Set out of 1,000 so basically the dealers feel that a cherrypicker is telling the him that most of his material is culls & rejected junk. On top of that the picker will haggle over the price and ask the dealer "Is that the best you can do?" Such is the life of a cherrypicker. Me on the other hand, when I fool with a dealer I walk up and glare @ him like I'll kill him just because I can and say "Lemme see that coin right there." He hands it to me and I say "Nice. How much you want for it?" Then I put the cash in his sweaty little hands and move out quickly. Even the most bitter, life hating dealer simply has no chance to be rude to me.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
A dealer, or anyone one, in retail that judges a book by its cover loses big time!
Quick story:
You're a coin shop owner with no employees. Two unknowns walk into your shop, seconds apart. You want to be polite to both, but you can't give them equal and simultaneous treatment. You have to make some quick judgements. One is dressed like a scruffy biker. The other is dressed like a high priced attorney. What do you do? You ask the "attorney" what you can do to help him. If he responds "I'd like to look through your proof sets and buy some cameos at bid", you ask him to wait a second and shift your attention to the biker. If the biker says he needs help completing his BU Morgan set, you're his new best friend. Coin dealers are great like that. They are very quick to follow the money. Appearances hardly matter. Really.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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<<<Dog - Be careful. I'm liable to take that as a personal challenge.>>> I'll give you a hint here. When I ask you how much you want for it say "Yo moma" and it'll be on. A collector really has to cultivate a relationship with a dealer in order to be allowed to rummage thru his inventory and pick out the PQ stuff and leave his junk that he has to push on somebody else. By the time 15 different pickers have opened up the Mint envelopes & looked inside they get dirty & wrinkled and it makes them really hard to sell. What a dealer wants is the old blue haired granny ladies that want a set from the year each of her 15 grandchildren was born. Granny tells the dealer what years she wants, buys the sets without looking @ them, doesn't question the price and moves out quickly.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
Am I missing something about what you said? If I am buying from a dealer are you saying I should just take the first mint set or proof set of the date I'm looking for and not look through his material. If I was looking for a certain date on a Morgan dollar should I take the top one or will I be allowed to look at them all. Why is this any different with proof or mint sets.Everything He has for sale should be able to be looked through.
If I am buying from a dealer are you saying I should just take the first mint set or proof set of the date I'm looking for and not look through his material.
Of course not. I'm saying that you shouldn't expect the dealer to give you access to items NOT out for public sale unless he thinks that you are - from a pure business perspective - a good person to deal with.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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I agree. He has a product. If he doesn't want me to examine his product, he shouldn't be selling it. The guy probably didn't even have any early sets. He's probably some rinky-dink, state-quarter collecting, red book price using joker.
Put a couple ounces of nicotine sulfate in a coke cup. Accidentally spill the "coke" on the rude dealer. 15 minutes later he is dead of an apparent heart attack. end of story!
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Mike - Don't take it personally. EVERYBODY prejudges EVERYBODY, at least to some extent. There's nothing wrong with that. The key is keeping an open mind and quickly adjusting when the first impression turns out to be wrong. Some people do that better than others, but you should at least give them a chance by opening your mouth and giving them some information that might change their impression of you.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
It's okay buddy this guy wasn't worth your time or money. Sounds like this chap had a bug up his bottom long before you showed up. We both sound alike. I am also very quiet and don't say much myself, not big on conversation and I too would have just walked. Of course after I told him to kiss me white Irish bottom
Micheál
Such is the life of a cherrypicker.
Me on the other hand, when I fool with a dealer I walk up and glare @ him like I'll kill him just because I can and say "Lemme see that coin right there." He hands it to me and I say "Nice. How much you want for it?" Then I put the cash in his sweaty little hands and move out quickly.
Even the most bitter, life hating dealer simply has no chance to be rude to me.
Quick story:
You're a coin shop owner with no employees. Two unknowns walk into your shop, seconds apart. You want to be polite to both, but you can't give them equal and simultaneous treatment. You have to make some quick judgements. One is dressed like a scruffy biker. The other is dressed like a high priced attorney. What do you do? You ask the "attorney" what you can do to help him. If he responds "I'd like to look through your proof sets and buy some cameos at bid", you ask him to wait a second and shift your attention to the biker. If the biker says he needs help completing his BU Morgan set, you're his new best friend. Coin dealers are great like that. They are very quick to follow the money. Appearances hardly matter. Really.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Dog - Be careful. I'm liable to take that as a personal challenge.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I'll give you a hint here. When I ask you how much you want for it say "Yo moma" and it'll be on.
A collector really has to cultivate a relationship with a dealer in order to be allowed to rummage thru his inventory and pick out the PQ stuff and leave his junk that he has to push on somebody else. By the time 15 different pickers have opened up the Mint envelopes & looked inside they get dirty & wrinkled and it makes them really hard to sell. What a dealer wants is the old blue haired granny ladies that want a set from the year each of her 15 grandchildren was born. Granny tells the dealer what years she wants, buys the sets without looking @ them, doesn't question the price and moves out quickly.
Am I missing something about what you said? If I am buying from a dealer are you saying I should just take the first mint set or proof set of the date I'm looking for and not look through his material. If I was looking for a certain date on a Morgan dollar should I take the top one or will I be allowed to look at them all. Why is this any different with proof or mint sets.Everything He has for sale should be able to be looked through.
TD
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Of course not. I'm saying that you shouldn't expect the dealer to give you access to items NOT out for public sale unless he thinks that you are - from a pure business perspective - a good person to deal with.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>Maybe someone from the Racine coin club could help? >>
You'd have better luck using the Ricin coin club....
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<< <i>Even the most bitter, life hating dealer simply has no chance to be rude to me.
Dog - Be careful. I'm liable to take that as a personal challenge.
Me too
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Put a couple ounces of nicotine sulfate in a coke cup. Accidentally spill the "coke" on the rude dealer. 15 minutes later he is dead of an apparent heart attack. end of story!
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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