All my coins are crap!

MSD61

Okay, feeling a little depressed, all the coins I want to, or think I should have graded are crap! Maybe I'm looking too hard at them. Can that happen???? Maybe I want too much and I am just looking at them too hard. I find one small mark and I feel they are not good enough to send in for grading. I want to send in my very first submission but I don't want to just send in anything. Example, I have this great looking Kennedy proof, to everyone else it looks PQ, but to me...LOL! I found a very small, tiny, have to use 10x power to see scratch by the "I" in Liberty and I want to scrap it! My 1972-P type II Ike so happy I found it. However, contact marks on the face and a few other dings keep me from sending it in. Yet I've seen worse, IMO, that have graded well. Okay, I'm done now....LOL!!! My whinning for the month is over.

LovethoseIndians

Were all our worst critics. If you look at your own coins too long you start seeing them with the naked eye as though it were "10X"...

Don't worry about it and enjoy your coins for starters, then submit one for FUN!

XpipedreamR

Time for some Prozac and a 5X loupe!

Tootawl

..or a couple of beers.

MadMarty

Man, you want to see some CRAPPY coins, you should see the greyhound and the pug when they go out for Mexican food!!!!

ajia

Are you looking to submit ONLY MS70 coins? If so. you'll be a rich man,,,,,,if you don't die first
I would look at the strike first, then look for imperfections. I have seen many coins grade the same as others even though they had some scratches because of the strike.
Pick your best coin & send it in! After the first, the rest is easy

Bear

Well at least your Cr*p is in your coins.

Mine is in my pants.

coinkat

First, we must be careful with the use of the word "crap"... Can we even use that here?

I use a stronger powered loupe (16X) and the best graders say anything over 5X is overkill. With Ike clads, there will be a mark here and there not just from mint handling but planchet flaws.

Consider submitting some coins so that you can learn from the experience and have fun in the process... its not all about grades.

Peaceman

I sold a PCGS MS-67 1923 that had a ding on it........

JRocco

Did someone say beer?

cladking

For most coins there are very few MS or PR-70's. Finding a tiny flaw with a 10x loupe will
not likely prevent the coin from going "70".

Even larger flaws are to be expected on most coins.

Jody526

Man, if your coins are c*** because they have one small spot on them, then my coins must be the c***, from the worms, that live in the dirt, beneath the c***.

wallstreetman

Man, your coins must be $hit, most collectors tend to be a little bias on their own coins!

wallstreetman

Jody, I never saw your reply before I wrote mine. I scrolled down and saw MAN and thought I was reading mine!

clw54

<< <i>Okay, feeling a little depressed, all the coins I want to, or think I should have graded are crap! Maybe I'm looking too hard at them. Can that happen???? Maybe I want too much and I am just looking at them too hard. I find one small mark and I feel they are not good enough to send in for grading. I want to send in my very first submission but I don't want to just send in anything. Example, I have this great looking Kennedy proof, to everyone else it looks PQ, but to me...LOL! I found a very small, tiny, have to use 10x power to see scratch by the "I" in Liberty and I want to scrap it! My 1972-P type II Ike so happy I found it. However, contact marks on the face and a few other dings keep me from sending it in. Yet I've seen worse, IMO, that have graded well. Okay, I'm done now....LOL!!! My whinning for the month is over. >>


Did you look at your coins this way before you found this forum?

66Tbird

Been there and know the feeling, but was pleasently surprised after the first submit across the street. All came back better than hoped and, here's the kicker, they looked better in the slab. So pick the best and try your luck. Now on this side of the street I was left shaking my head. One was way over(but looked better slabbed) and one was way under. Felt bad about selling the over graded a little but the undergraded gets cracked and crosses the street.

Best of luck to you.

John

nwcs

I find that when I try to get coins that will satisfy PCGS or NGC I miss the boat. I realized that I should get coins that satisfy me and get them graded if I feel like it. Sure helps with that feeling you describe that I had before.

Neptune

Time for some Prozac and a 5X loupe!

Jody526

<< <i>Jody, I never saw your reply before I wrote mine. I scrolled down and saw MAN and thought I was reading mine! >>



Thanks for the responce.

~Jody~

Myqqy

I think that we all have to learn to not focus on the minor imperfections of coins, but to see their beauty in their wholeness- much like how we have to view the wholeness of ourselves and others. I remember hearing about how the artisans of a particular native american tribe (I want to say the Navajos, but I could be wrong) would intentionally put imperfections into their rugs because of their view that only God is perfect, and everything in this world must have imperfections. Anyhoo, find coins that speak to you regardless of whether or not they might get viewed by PCGS or whoever else!

prooflike

I haven't used my loupe in a long time... I enjoy the coins with my just my eyes.

If you are trying to encapsulate for resle, your going to have to go theough the training process to figure it out, and that costs a few bucks. If you are encapsulating for protection, then just send them in.

Boom

I'd like to send mine in and get a correct grade the first go round. When you have multiples and the better ones to both the eye and the loup grade less than others with dings/contact marks and obvious signs of being messed with-I get somewhat disillusioned by this whole ordeal. How about some consistency? Is PCGS truly the best or not?

MSD61

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<< <i> Did you look at your coins this way before you found this forum? >>



Yes and no, as a boy starting to collect my main concern was eye appeal and just how cool a coin looked to me. Coming to this forum has shown me that there is more than just eye appeal. There is how the coin was cared for, toning was not a bad thing, and there are other factors such as hairlines, over-dipping, whizzing and things as a young collector wouldn't know about. I have learned since being a part of this forum that strike is sometimes better than general appearance and that grading is subjective. Coin grading on this scale is very new to me. I was like anyone else that was un-educated in collecting and knowing what difference between pocket change and what was a gem. I have learned that not all dealers know what they are talking about. That some would gladly sell you junk.

I have always been competitive in everything I've done and I guess the same goes for collecting coins. On a budget one doesn't want to use his/her's submissions foolishly. I dare not look for a PR/MS 70 grade on any submission I send. But I sure don't want a body bag either I guess you can say pride is playing a role in this too...LOL!!!

I must apologize for I think for a short span I had fallen into the "what's on the plastic" pit instead of what is appealing to me. I said back when I first joined this forum that I wanted to learn. Well, I have to say that I have learned a lot. That the input from all here has helped a novice numismatist learn things he has never considered! I thank the Lucy-bops and the pugs, Michael Dixon, Russ, supercoins and many others of this forum for the knowledge they have bestowed me. You have removed from the world another victim of the Ebay scammers and dirty dealers. I mean I have gone from not knowing anything to busting on my own coins! It shows I am looking and not just running rough-shot threw the coin world
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Micheál

LucyBop

smooch!

coynclecter

It's good that you can understand the finer points of strike, care etc. Unfortunately you have fallen victim to the marketing hype that has taken hold of the coin hobby in the last 15 years. Most coins are far from perfect but we are constantly bombarded with the idea that a coin is no good unless its among the highest graded. This is because those who live in this coin world make the most $$ trading these high priced rarities and convince all new collectors with money that circulated coins and even lower grade uncs are not worth owning. They would rather we have "a box of 20" supergrades than a collection of a few hundred coins. These high end dealers tell buyers that the high grade stuff makes the most money. They don't tell them that most of the money lost in this hobby in the last 20 years has been on coins purchased as 65 or better. Its true that the high graders have gone up big time in the last few years but the fall has yet to come. I've been collecting since 1960, coin prices rise and fall like stocks. The "blue chips" rise fast and furious and fall just as fast and hard.

Prior to the eighties grading was not so extreme. Yes,it was important but collectors had large collctions, not just a few gems and a high grade unc sold only a few times its lower unc counterparts (66 vs 62).

We now have a "my coin is better than your coin" competetiveness that fuels the hobby and it now has taken the pleasure away for many. I fell into the trap too and had to pull back and rethink.

Also, when we look to buy a coin, we look for flaws, thats important to the grade ( and price), then we concentrate on flaws on all the coins we look at, even after we own them. Then we look at the price guide and think how much is it worth, am I ahead or behind. Dam coin, I'm down XX$$ on this thing. Where's the joy in that.

From now on when you pick up a coin, look at the date, think of what was happening in America around that time. What would someone have bought with this coin new. Coins are history. Let the dealers and investors play the supergrade game, it's a joykiller for collectors.

cladking

Coynclector: I agree but there's more than one way to skin a cat and there are other ways
of looking at this same thing. Certainly one can find just as much enjoyment in MS-60 coins
or even in AG coins as one finds in superb gems. One should certainly collect the coins that
he finds bring the most joy for all the "costs" associated with getting the coins whether this
means cruising e-bay or the local bank.

It's also apparent that the trend toward increasing prices on high grade coins could reverse
at any time and leave many of these coins at far lower prices. But consider that collectors
have always favored the best quality they can find and that the grading services and the in-
ternet have for the very first time made these coins available not only to the masses but to
the specialist. Certainly that's no gaurantee that this isn't the sort of bubble which you paint
it to be, but if it is then it's a very safe bet that there will still be collectors for this material
even after the bubble bursts.

Have fun with your collection. If this means collecting common coins in low grade or rare coins
in high grade. There is no one right way to have fun or to profit in this hobby.

oreville

MSD61: Good morning Mr, Cr*ps!

The following are some ideas to ponder which might make you feel better.

1. Change your name to MSD58. We like such proposal because if you said your mint state coins were imperfect with a name like MSD58 no one would argue with you.

2. Send all of your now good for nothing coins to us for free . That always seem to work!

3. Take a College course in Philosophy (especially if you took it once before). After enduring the professor or instructor, you would never dare question yourself again!

Should you or any of your PC or NG forces be caught or killed, the secretary will disavow any knowledege of your slabbed coins existence.

Good luck Mr Cr*ps! This post will self destruct in 10 years.

Dog97

Well I'm certianly not going to talk bad about MSD61 for putting the evil eye on his coins before picking the ones to submit. Pick the best ones after the junk is culled out and he won't be on the board crying about how the graders tore his coins up & undergraded them.
Most collectors think their coins are super PQ and are disappointed when they find out the true condition of them.