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My PCGS 1964 PR69DCAM Kennedy has three spots on the coins field that were not there after I got the coin back from grading. The coin has been put away in my safe and I took it out to look at it today and noticed these spots. This coins was not dipped or nothing. I sent it to PCGS still in the mint cello. These spots look horrible. I doubt it would still be considered a 69 with those spots. What happened? Anyone know?

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I added a picture. There are actually 4 spots I see now. As you can see from my sig line they were not there when I got the coin back.

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Lori,

    They are milk spots and, unfortunately, they can develop after a coin is removed from the celo. This is why I now conserve every single proof I submit whether they seem to need it or not. It stabilizes the surfaces, and prevents this from happening. I feel your pain, as this is something I learned the hard way.

    Russ, NCNE
  • So should I send the coin to NCS then or is it to late?

    Lori
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Lori,

    Sadly, these are the type of spots that, at best, NCS can only reduce but not remove.

    Here's another example:

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    That coin was spot free when submitted and when it came back. Over a period of about a year, it grew those. This has happened to me a half dozen times or so with coins that were not dipped, but has never happened with coins that were.

    Russ, NCNE
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    milk spots my foot! those are big-mac crumbs. somebody at pcgs likes mcdonald's drive-thru, and works through lunch!

    K S
  • rlawsharlawsha Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭
    What do you use for dipping? Acetone?
  • So basically my best bet is to get it on ebay and try to sell it for what I can get because more spots will developed. It just makes me sick. I was so proud to made a 69DCAM and to see this now acutally makes me physically ill. Guess you live and learn.

    Lori
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    don't even tell me that the pcgs guarantee does'nt cover that!!!

    K S
  • moosesrmoosesr Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭
    Russ, what kind of dip do you use?


  • << <i>Russ, what kind of dip do you use? >>



    Do tell. Also a super begineer question: how do you dip?
    Are there special tongs to use? What's your favorite
    procedure?
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>don't even tell me that the pcgs guarantee does'nt cover that!!! >>



    Karl,

    I know this will disappoint you greatly because it diminishes your ability to bash them but, yes, PCGS would cover it under their grading guarantee. I don't know whether it would be covered for the original submitter, but it would certainly be covered for a subsequent purchaser of the coin.

    Russ, NCNE
  • Sorry that happened Lori. image.

    I've never had a successful gaurentee submission. Do they generally pay full market value or the lowest wholesale value or somewhere inbetween ?

    Les
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  • rlawsharlawsha Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭
    Come on Russ, come clean with your method to "conserve" coins.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Consign it to Teletrash, er, I mean Teletrade. image
  • Like the infamous '63 PR70Dcam, why should any grading company cover a reaction to a coin that happens naturally?
    HEAD TUCKED AND ROLLING ALONG ENJOYING THE VIEW! [Most people I know!]

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>why should any grading company cover a reaction to a coin that happens naturally? >>



    Because said reaction lowers the grade and therefore the market value which is, of course, the whole point of having a grading guarantee.



    << <i>Come on Russ, come clean with your method to "conserve" coins. >>



    Sorry, but since a forum member ruined some coins and decided it was my fault, I no longer provide the method I use. There are plenty of threads on dipping, though. Just do a search.

    Russ, NCNE
  • imageSo the grade is guaranteed and not the coin? Almost the same as the title to your land is guaranteed but not the land!
    HEAD TUCKED AND ROLLING ALONG ENJOYING THE VIEW! [Most people I know!]

    NEVER LET HIPPO MOUTH OVERLOAD HUMMINGBIRD BUTT!!!

    WORK HARDER!!!!
    Millions on WELFARE depend on you!
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    I feel for you Lori, a pop. 57 coin with none higher. I hope PCGS does something for youimage---------------------BigE
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  • << <i>So the grade is guaranteed and not the coin? Almost the same as the title to your land is guaranteed but not the land! >>


    That's right. Go read their guarantee. They go on and on about how the grade is guaranteed and what your options are and what they will do if there is a problem with the grade, but the only place authenticity is mentions is in the title of the guarantee. Nowhere to they specificly mention any guarantee of the authenticity or what they will do in the case of a question or problem. (I will admit though that so far they have always paid up on authenticity problems.)

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