Please look at these 2 Lincoln's

JRocco

I posted an image of an 89 Lincoln that showed some odd doubling/tripleing of the E in WE and odd breaks in the W, well I was just looking at another shotgun roll I put aside at the same time and found another with the same variation. Please offer comments and I do appreciate the comments from the original post. Thanks in advance.
Coin 1

Coin 2

There is no other doubling on any other area of the coin.

wjd283

There is definitely something awry w/that we.Don't know what caused it though.Could be a new variety.
I'll be checking my cents for that.Good eye!

dlimb2

JRocco, I love that penny, that looks like a class two dd...beautiful.

dlimb2

JRocco, Look in the cherry pickers under the different classes..its there.

wjd283

Well,c'mon guys.I don't have a cherry pickers.What's it say?

joeyuk

a class II or distorted hub doubled die happens when after the first press of the hub into the die the hub is used io impress it's image in many more dies. As this happens the hub becomes slightly flattened and when it is returned to the first die to make the second press the image it leaves is slightly different then the first one.
This supposedly can no longer happen as they say it is now a single press operation. There is some evidence that seems to contridict this. Joe

coppercoins

That's an odd coin, probably die gouges from some sort of tooling or damage...but it's not likely a doubled die. A doubled die would be two hubbings of the same basic design moved off-kilter from one another - not tilted 45 degrees for one letter. There would have to be a lot more evidence on a lot more of the design for that to be any sort of doubled die.

Even if it were a doubled die, it's definitely not class 2. Distorted hub doubled dies are ALWAYS either toward the center of the design or toward the edge of the design, and this one shows what would be doubling rotated CW. That would have to be either class 1, 5, or 8, but I don't think it's any of them. Looks a lot more like die retooling to me.

coppercoins

<< <i>a class II or distorted hub doubled die happens when after the first press of the hub into the die the hub is used io impress it's image in many more dies. As this happens the hub becomes slightly flattened and when it is returned to the first die to make the second press the image it leaves is slightly different then the first one.
This supposedly can no longer happen as they say it is now a single press operation. There is some evidence that seems to contridict this. Joe >>



"can no longer happen" as of 1997. These coins are from 1989, and the "can no longer happen" has been disproven. It can happen although it's very uncommon.

clackamas

Do you have a close up of the "W" it looks like a trippled die which can't happen...hmmm. I think someone was drinking at the mint that day. Is the doubling exhibited anywhere else? In the center of the design? Send this one to john wexler.

coppercoins

Pray tell, why can a tripled die not happen?

dlimb2

dlimb2

You guys this cent is from 1989...it can happen to this coin....this is pre 1990's.

JRocco

Sorry I could not respond earlier but this site crashed here in NY las night. There is no doubling anywhere else on this coin, the center is clean as well as the date LIBERTY etc. Only the WE is doubled/tripled. I tried to get better scans so here goes.

coppercoins

Nice new images, yet my answer remains the same - it's not a doubled die.

JRocco

Thanks for the response C.D. Your opinion is always appreciated.