'Cash' ID Help Needed - Oriental Specialists

Lloyd

Help would be greatly appreciated with this first lot. Sorry if anything's upside down. I have another half dozen or so after this.



EDIT TO ADD: All coins are around the 23mm mark.

TIA

rhound1977

Lloyd, Those can be tough time consuming to ID, I've done it a couple of times, but you need the right books which I don't have. I had to borrow them from some one who specializes in them, specifically Anamese.... hoepfully someone can help

tbirde56

The pictures on the right are all upside down.
Strating with those and referring to them if turned upside down:
I can't make out the top one on the left.
The top (now) one on the right is from the reign of Tao-Kuang T'ung-Pao (1821-51).
The middle two are from the reign of Hsien-feng (1851-61).
The bottom two are from the reign of Chia-ch'ing (1796-1820).

They all appear to be general issues of the empire (the character on the right in the pictures on the left) and fairly common.

satootoko

The JNDA catalog (frequently available on EBay or contact me for a source) has an extensive section on cash coins, including many of the Chinese issues which circulated in Japan. The Japanese coins are identified by era in English, but unfortunately there is no English at all in the section on Chinese coins.

tbirde56

Here are two related cash coin sites:
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historygeek

I have to disagree Tbirde.

The top two are Ch'ien Lung (These are all common)
The middle are Hsien Feng (As you have stated) (Common)
The bottom left is Tao Kuang. Please reimage the bottom right. (If your Tao Kuang coin measures 27.5mm it is worth a heck of a lot more than the 23 mm)

All the coins seem to be from the Board of Revenue mint and are one cash values.

tbirde56

I agree, the two I called Chia-ch'ing are Ch'ien-lung (1736-95). The others I think we agree upon.

sumnom

I use Ding Fubao's book on Chinese cash but it is entirely in Chinese. Fisher has translated it, hence the references to Fisher's Ding. I don't use Schjoth but most people seem to like that reference the best. Even Krause can get you through most of the Qing cash that comes around. Whatever text you might consier getting, I would stay away from books with drawings of the coins, rather than photos or rubbings.

Lloyd

Many Thanks for your contributions to this and the other Cash thread. This has been extremely helpful and I've learned a little bit. The bottom right (new top left when inverted) is imaged below.....



Lloyd

tbirde56

The last one also looks to be Ch'ien-lung (1736-95). I 'd guess a common mint but the heavy wear makes it hard to say for sure.
One dealer (Frank Robinson) who goes through a lot of cash coins uses this grading system:
G - characters decipherable.
VG - characters with bold outlines.
F - characters with some detail.
VF - characters with much detail.
XF - complete detail and sharp.
U - nonexistant (normally).

sumnom

I agree with Tbird on the reign period of the last coin. It comes from the Yunnanfu mint in Yunnan Province.

Krause says the mint identifier reads "boo yon" but I do not think that is the case. It reads "boo yun," yun being short for Yunnan.

Lloyd

Brilliant stuff. Thanks very much

Lloyd