My item description vent about paypal

nccoin · February 24, 2004 1:16PM

Am I wrong for saying this about the shipping charges?
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LINCOLN 1909 VDB * UNCIRCULATED *

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LINCOLN 1909 VDB CENT.

I accept paypal, money orders, and personal checks. Paypal and money orders ship immediately. Personal checks of larger amounts may have to clear first. I offer a 5 day return policy. I will combine shipping for multiple auction wins. EBAY AND PAYPAL have decided to team up and force sellers to accept all forms of credit cards now and charge us an extra 3 percent, so I was forced to increase my shipping & handling charges slightly.
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Tonelover · February 24, 2004 1:20PM

Here's how I state it:

Sorry but Paypal is NOT accepted. Ebay has simply made it too expensive to continue offering high quality coins with the conveniences we all enjoyed in the past. We do promise to ship very promptly upon receipt of your check or money order.

To you guys that would rather die than bid on an auction that doesn't accept Paypal, sorry.

Stman, you better not give me that violin thingy!

stman · February 24, 2004 1:22PM

<< Stman, you better not give me that violin thingy! >>

Dog97 · February 24, 2004 1:37PM

<<<so I was forced to increase my shipping & handling charges slightly.>>> Oh yeah how much?

Here's how I handle it. I put FREE SHIPPING in my title.
Then in the description I say <<<Payment by check, money order or PayPal. I reserve the right to hold checks until they clear but that doesn't mean that I will. 5 day return offer if not satisfied. Just contact me within 5 days. FREE SHIPPING anywhere in the Whole Wide World, so bid your max for this lot!>>>
Then under that I put in big red letters !!!FREE SHIPPING!!!
Then in the pay & shipping details:
<<<Shipping and handling: Free Shipping (within United States)
Will ship worldwide.>>>
(I'll ship free anywhere, don't know why it says in US only)
Then in the payment methods accepted I put;
<<<This seller, dog_xx97, prefers PayPal.
Personal check
Money order/Cashiers check
Other online payment services>>>
I also accept live chickens & freshly baked apple pies but don't advertise that.
Maybe I'm wrong for not squeezing every single red cent possible from my buyers.

nccoin · February 24, 2004 1:43PM

Dog,
the increase is from 1.50 to 2.00 for cheap stuff and from 3.00 to 4.00 on 50-100 dollar items which includes insurance on the 4.00 charge, and an extra dollar for each hundred higher (not that I sell much in that price range)

Dog97 · February 24, 2004 1:55PM

Oh that's very reasonable shipping cost increasing to reasonable shipping cost, nccoin.

Crackout · February 24, 2004 1:57PM

I buy coins on e-bay and always try to add up all costs (shipping, insurance, etc.) to get my bottom line price. I figure out these costs BEFORE I bid and then bid accordingly. So how much the shipping or other handling charges amount to are really irrelevant as items by themselves. They only matter as a whole for what I am willing to pay for the coin. Therefore, if you have an axe to grind with e-bay or paypal - it doesn't bother me as a consumer. It may affect YOUR bottom line, but your wording would not affect my bidding at all.

Bochiman · February 24, 2004 2:07PM

I have a personal thing about people that want everyone else to pay for their costs across the board.
Paypal/ebay make it so you can't charge more for people using their system. Just like MC and Visa.
But, I don't by from stores that want to charge extra for using the convenience.

Find some way around the system, but, if I am not paying you with paypal or paypal with a CC, then why do I want to hear about your increasing costs that I am not contributing to?

So, your costs appear to not be unreasonable, but, I don't like your wording. If you are changing your costs, fine. If you want to use your auction to rant on paypal/ebay, then that is your choice but be aware that some people don't care to hear it like that when it affects them.

stman · February 24, 2004 2:10PM

Dog, your poor tires all that wear and tear though. What, no charge for a snack on the way to the PO?

Dog97 · February 24, 2004 2:43PM

stman the millionaires that let me build their million dollar beach houses pay for my tires. My next auctions I might charge $1 for shipping so I can get a Butterfinger because driving do make me hungry.

stman · February 24, 2004 2:47PM

<< My next auctions I might charge $1 for shipping so I can get a Butterfinger because driving do make me hungry. >>

braddick · February 24, 2004 3:41PM

I like to offer free coins but the shipping charges are priced in the Red Book.

Dog97 · February 24, 2004 3:45PM

<<>>
Admit it Braddick, you can afford to charge greysheet for shipping.

K6AZ · February 24, 2004 3:45PM

I just got charged $25.20 for s/h/i on three coins totaling under $300. Can't complain, seller did not state combined shipping in the auctions, he doesn't take PayPal either. But I can guarantee you that I will never bid on his auctions again.

braddick · February 24, 2004 3:50PM

<< I just got charged $25.20 for s/h/i on three coins totaling under $300. Can't complain, seller did not state combined shipping in the auctions, he doesn't take PayPal either. But I can guarantee you that I will never bid on his auctions again. >>

Unless those coins come delivered with a hot 16" Dominos Combo pizza and a shoulder massage, I'd say you got jipped.

K6AZ · February 24, 2004 3:55PM

I think the thing with the seller is the three coins is that they all went for way under what they should have, and perhaps his $7 + insurance per coin with no combined shipping had something to do with it. Still, even when I have had coins go for well under what they should have, I have cut the buyers a break on shipping. Even with the exorbinant shipping, I came out ahead, but if I had paid full price for these coins I would feel gypped.

UncleJoe · February 24, 2004 8:52PM

Yes, you are wrong for saying that about the shipping charges.

For the most part, the amount you charge for shipping and handling is your business. From a buyer's perspective, all I really care about is "How Much" so that I may take that into account in my bid. It really doesn't matter to me how you arrived at the amount.

But more to the point, your increased S&H amount IMO is still a reasonable S&H charge and requires NO explanation.

Joe.

ealandg · February 25, 2004 5:04AM

IMHO, you should build these additional costs into the item price.

I like to use PayPal. I like to pay with my credit card because my credit card company will protect me from fraud.

flaminio · February 25, 2004 5:22AM

Personally, I say leave the politics out of the auctions. If you have a gripe with PayPal or eBay -- fine. But an auction description should be clear, factual, and not infused with your diatribes.

As for the shipping charges, it doesn't really matter what they are as long as they are stated clearly up front so that bidders have the opportunity to adjust their bids accordingly.

Frankly, I grow weary of anti-PayPal rhetoric. If you don't like them, don't use them. (And yes, in which case I won't be bidding.) Just don't bore me about it.

BAJJERFAN · February 25, 2004 9:26AM

<<"IMHO, you should build these additional costs into the item price.">>

pretty damn hard to do when you start at 1 cent or $1.

<<"Frankly, I grow weary of anti-PayPal rhetoric. If you don't like them, don't use them. (And yes, in which case I won't be bidding.) Just don't bore me about it.">>

On a $1500 item PayPal fees will be about $45 and IMO they don't deserve that kind of fee because they have not earned it. It doesn't cost anymore to process a $1500 transaction than it does a $15 one. eBay fees will add a like amount so there you have almost a C note for the one item. Maybe you can throw hundred dollar bills around real casual like, but I sure can't.
I have a personal account, but I tell them in the auction description, if they want to use a credit card to contact me first. If they don't want to split the fee or pay the fee I tell them not to bid. If they don't want the item, then someone else will.
I wonder if you would gripe if your bank charged you 3% on every deposit made to your checking account.

flaminio · February 25, 2004 11:28PM

<< I wonder if you would gripe if your bank charged you 3% on every deposit made to your checking account. >>

Apples and oranges. The PayPal rake is a cost of doing business, just like any other cost involved in running your business. Why single out PayPal? Why does PayPal not earn their 3% yet eBay does -- it doesn't cost eBay any extra to run a $1 auction versus a $1000 auction -- yet the FVFs will be dramatically different.

Bottom line, you need to keep track of your costs. And if your costs get to be too much -- get out of the business.

bushmaster8 · February 26, 2004 12:29AM

Paypal blows. I am glad I dumped them even before these increases took effect.

AND, I might add, it has had no apparent effect on my ebay sales. I am just as satisfied with the number of bidders and the prices realized as I was when I accepted Paypud.

hookooekoo · February 26, 2004 1:04AM

EBAY AND PAYPAL have decided to team up and force sellers to accept all forms of credit cards now and charge us an extra 3 percent, so I was forced to increase my shipping & handling charges slightly.

These words might get you in trouble with eBay.

Don't eBay's rules say something to the effect that you can not "charge" customers for any of the fee's that are charged?

Just remove these words from your description, set a fixed s/h amount, and don't explain your self.

BAJJERFAN · February 26, 2004 2:24AM

Well to each their own. I will use PayPal as a buyer as it doesn't cost me anything. Whether or not a seller prefers or even accepts PayPal doesn't mean squat to me. I don't exclude sellers who don't take it. As a seller I will not pay their outrageous fees. For $50 savings I will gladly write a check and mail it. The limited amount of selling I do will be for those items that will sell regardless of whether I take PayPal or not.

IrishMike · February 26, 2004 3:44AM

Nope you aren't allowed to charge extra if someone uses a credit card. I have a difficult time understanding those of you who keep harping that you won't bid on a coin if the seller doesn't take paypal, what's up with that? Now its no longer buy the coin, its only buy the coin with paypal?

Seriously stating that sellers lose sells because the don't take paypal is a whole bunch of hooey. I've been selling since 9/99 and never accepted paypal. I think 2 coins have not sold in all that time. I know ahead of time what these coins should sell fairly for and which coins will sell fairly w/o a reserve and guess what they sell. So all your whining about sellers that don't take paypal is just that. Let ebay get richer off their own fees. I don't run a coin business I sell nice coins that I no longer care to own. Would you rather have a nice coin at a fair price or at an inflated price because of all the fees?

BAJJERFAN · February 26, 2004 4:46AM

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It isn't exactly apples and oranges because many PayPal-ers have a separate checking accounts for shuffling PayPal funds. Frequently these accounts have little or no balance or at best a token minimum balance. These accounts are nuisance accounts to a bank and most likely cost the bank money to maintain, therefore I think they would most likely be justified in charging a fee to receive funds.

If I post a coin for sale on the B S & T boards are yu saying that as a private person who derives no competitive advantage over a business that I cannot charge extra if someone wants to pay me with a credit card.

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