gia v psa sales price result

SKINSFAN

I just won a 55 aa #6 kinnick gia 8 1st graded for 100 bucks even.I always track aa,s and have not seen a kinnick psa 8 go for less then $225 in 2 years.I love it was not planning on winning it just tossed a 100 bucks on it 2 days ago to track it.The ebay # is 2787309246 sorry horrid at links.It is a touch oc but still well with in psa limits i think.I have much respect for gia and sgc it seems that the best deals i find anymore are buying there slabs and crossing them.Anyway just found the price ultra low thought i would see what you psa gurus think about such a large differance in price.

wolfbear

GAI 8 1955 AA card

I think GAI dealers lose a little money on every deal, but make it up in volume ...

CW

Looks really nice! If you cross it over to PSA please let us
know how it turns out.

murcerfan

I was gonna bid $127, but 1954 called me and distracted me.
seems like the registry craze has been driving the psa prices on this set.

1954

Sorry Murcerfan.....I am sure it was an important phone call to distract you from bidding.


1954

SKINSFAN

interesting item 2787909886 another kinnick this 1 a psa 8 at 255 now with 2+ days left. 1954 thanks for keeping murcer onthe phone will send you that 5 bucks and a list opf who to call next and when

koby

GAI cards sell for far less than PSA cards. This is even more evident with modern cards.

mcastaldi

koby. . .you mean like picking up a 73T Roy White GAI9 for $3.81?

I don't have any idea what you're talking about

Mike

koby

<< <i>koby. . .you mean like picking up a 73T Roy White GAI9 for $3.81?

I don't have any idea what you're talking about

Mike >>




Mike,


I have calculated that, as a general rule, GAI cards will sell for approximately 50% of their PSA counterparts. Here are some recent examples:


GAI 9.5 GEM MINT 1983 Topps Tony Gwynn $202.50

PSA 10 GEM MINT 1983 Topps Tony Gwynn $397.79


There has been some fluctuation recently on the following card, but the PSA versiuons have sold for no less than $2300 recently. Regardless, there is still a wide disparity between PSA and GAI prices.

GAI 9.5 GEM MINT 1986 Topps Tiffany Bonds $1276.99

PSA 10 GEM MINT 1986 Topps Tiffany Bonds $2750.00



Here is another example

GAI 9.5 GEM MINT 1990 Leaf Sammy Sosa $112.51

PSA 10 GEM MINT 1990 Leaf Sammy Sosa $248.81

PSA 10 GEM MINT 1990 Leaf Sammy Sosa $245.09


SGC 98 GEM MINT 1990 Leaf Sammy Sosa $150.09



As you can see, GAI cards sell for substantially lower prices than similar PSA card. I have calculated that approximately 50% return can be expected. Sometimes there are exceptions; sometimes GAI will sell for more than 50% of a similar PSA card, and sometimes GAI will sell for less than 50%, but that is the general rule.

Koby

koby

For vintage cards, I note that there is less of a difference but for the most part GAI cards still sell for far less than their PSA equivalent.

GAI 8 NMMT 1957 Topps Willie Mays $538.88

PSA 8 NMMT 1957 Topps Willie Mays $766.00

Some say that PSA has its competitors beat on commons only, but I have found very significant differences in the prices of stars.

GAI 8 NMMT 1968 Topps Mantle $265.10

PSA 8 NMT 1968 Topps Mantle $375.00

There may be less of a difference than modern cards but the difference is significant nevertheless. Above are just a few examples, but everyday there are hundreds of auctions where PSA cards far outsell cards graded by GAI.

Unless one is intentionally trying to devalue a collection, I can't understand the rationale behind considering crossing over vintage or modern cards from PSA to GAI. Doing so would be the same as flushing money down the toilet.

srs1a

I suppose that this data begs the question ...

If you really buy the card and not the holder, doesn't this say that there is tremendous value in these holders?

Just wondering

koby

You would be correct if you are assuming that the cards are graded with the same standard.

Perhaps the prices reflect the quality of the cards inside the holders. (ie, If PSA cards are graded with tougher standards, PSA cards command higher prices than its competitors.)

srs1a

And I suppose that the folks that are currently at GAI never had any association with PSA...so they are not familiar with their grading standards. Sure...sounds good.

koby

<< <i>And I suppose that the folks that are currently at GAI never had any association with PSA...so they are not familiar with their grading standards. Sure...sounds good. >>



I think those guys were released, not so much because they were not familiar with grading standards, buth rather for other reasons. Hopefully they didn't transfer those business practices with them to GAI.

thefootballcardstore

This reminds me of the great BGS/BVG debates I was involved in way back.
Ah, those were the days . . . Jeremy

Fuzz

So at what crossover rate does this start to make sense.
You but GAI at 50%, crossover what does at an even grade.
Resell the lot. I suspect that you would only need 10 to 20% crossover if you are using $100 GAI cards to break even. I have found the crossover to be at a higher rate than that.
Maybe I will have a new hobby.
Fuzz

mcastaldi

Fuzz> I think the answer to your question depends on what you're willing to pay for equal-quality raw examples. In my case, I was definitely willing to pay under $4 for a PSA9-quality 73 Roy White. Will the GAI9 I bought make it into a PSA9 holder or end up as a really nice PSA8? I don't know, I don't have the card yet. I say "PSA9-quality" because I realize that the GAI9 I bought comes with no assurance of making it to a PSA9. Just liike a high-end raw example has no guarantees of the same. But. . .I have absolutely no problem paying $3-$5 each for raw 73s I feel have a shot at 9s.

I think when you buy a slabbed card with the aim of crossing it over, you have to treat it as a raw card. A well-qualified raw card, but a raw card just the same.

Mike

SKINSFAN

I THINK FUZZ used a good # a semi high $ card can bring great profits not worth the risk on a 10 to 20 card.The psa 8 kinnick that i mentioned before if now over 330 bucks with 8 hrs to go. snips may well take it over 400 that means the gia card cost 25 %. I have been crossing well over 90% of cards i try to cross and even if i does not cross you can always sell it on ebay for more then likely all your $ back.the last 3 big cards i bought at a fraction of psa prices have included a bvg 8 tinsley error card crossed to a psa 8 it cost me two hundred i have turned down offers at 2k for it nice little return.I also bought a 68 griese rookie sgc 96 at half the going price of a psa 9 and now this kinnick card. please ill buy all your $100 + well centered sgc/gia cards at 25% to 40 % of what psa cards sell for. FUZZ YOU HAVE ENOUGH HOBBYS LOL, leave me my little corner. I hear it is casino season

shouldabeena10

Hey Art,

I've got a couple of Vintage "other brands" I'll sell you. One's an SGC 98 and the other's a GAI 9.5 1st Graded (ahhh). The only problem is that the SGC has a "Sheetcut" sticker on it from when I tried to cross it over to PSA, and the GAI has an evidence of trim sticker on it.

But I'll be more then happy to help you with your new hobby!

Mike

Aaronman

I try to buy GAI 8's at PSA 7 prices or near it. When I get the card, if if really feel it will be a PSA 8, I crack it out and send it in. If it's border line, I might try to cross it over or just resell it as is. I think GAI has been very lax when grading cards as 9's so I stay away from anything in a GAI 9 holder unless it's dirt cheap.


Doug