PSA Vintage Graded Sets NOT In Registry?
scottsusor
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How many people do you think are out there putting together PSA vintage graded sets that are NOT in the Registry?
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I also have a raw set that I'm working on and thinking about grading that I'll most likely leave off of the registry until it is substantially complete.
I would bet that there are a lot more. Some don't know about the set registry, some don't care about the set registry, some don't like the set registry, some are collecting sets that aren't on the set registry yet, and others are playing the game (whatever they think that may be).
BTW, I fall into two of those categories. Bet you can't guess which two.
JEB.
I believe the number is quite substantial. However, I furthermore believe that there are a very large number of high-grade raw vintage sets out there that are not yet graded. I am sure that submissions will only increase over time, but there are a number of very advanced collectors who have not yet bought into the Registry "thang".
<< <i>I bet one of them is that you don't know about it yet. >>
Nope. I actually don't like the Set Registry. It's a stupid idea and will never catch on. Just like the idea of grading cards in general. Why would anyone pay a premium for a graded card when you can pick up nice raw ones on ebay for a fraction of the cost. Professional grading is a passing fad.
JEB.
I have a friend in Nashville that has 12 vintage 100% complete sets that are not on the registry. These sets are all 50’s and 60’s and are PSA 7 and above. His 1952 Mantle is a PSA 8 NQ.(man is it sweet!) He is the guy that really turned me on to graded cards. I asked him why he didn’t want to share his collection on the registry, and it all boils down to an ex-wife and an alimony thing. I think the registry is a little too public for him. After all, he only makes about $20,00.00 a year ( as far as his ex knows).
I have about a bazillion, '74 Topps Traded raw cards I'll sell you! Cheep!!!!!
Find the number of Mantles or key rookies that have been graded for any vintage set. Make an adjustment (10% to 20%) for crackout/resubmits and you've got a rough idea of the theoretical number of potential sets waiting to be graded/registered.
I'm hoping he's wrong, or else look at all the money I've blown.
Scott
The two sets that I'm referring to are both being done in PSA graded form. Both are nowhere near complete in PSA slabs, but are close raw. I plan on submitting a lot of the cards myself and eventually adding the sets to the registry.
JEB.
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<< <i>Virtualizard,
I have about a bazillion, '74 Topps Traded raw cards I'll sell you! Cheep!!!!! >>
Ken,
I've pretty much learned my lesson on raw '74 Traded. I have about 500 of them - only 1 would grade 8 or better. The unopened material is actually worse than buying lots on ebay because of the way they were packaged. This is about the only set that I could imagine I'll have to complete entirely through ebay purchases of PSA graded cards. Luckily, it's not a priority of mine, since they rarely come up (and even when they do, Steve seems to almost always outsnipe me
JEB.
Email me - jeb@virtualizard.com or turn on the Private Message option. I am interested in some OPCs from those years if you have any available.
Thanks.
JEB.
If you look at the population report, you'll see hundreds of Goudey Ruths or Gehrigs submitted but only 40-50 of some particular commons for example. 1938 Goudeys as a whole also seem under represented.
<< <i>I'd be curious to hear how much raw Pre WW II material is still available in high grade. Cobb, Ruth, Gehrig, etc.
If you look at the population report, you'll see hundreds of Goudey Ruths or Gehrigs submitted but only 40-50 of some particular commons for example. 1938 Goudeys as a whole also seem under represented. >>
Well, the high-grade factor out the window, but it is estimated that over 50% of the Honus Wagner T-206 cards are still not encapsulated.
MS
You've got the "I'm so above the whole grading thing" crowd. read : my cards aren't good enough.
You've got the ''I really don't apprecitate the competition aspect of the set registry" people. read : my cards aren't good enough.
You've got the "When I was collecting, centering wasn't really an issue" folks. read : my cards aren't good enough.
You've got the "I want to keep my cards raw, because that's the way they're supposed to be" crowd. read : my cards aren't good enough.
There's less really good stuff out there ungraded than you think ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
I currently have 17 sets that I have not put on the registry from the years you are talking. These sets are anywhere from 20-50% done. Generally the only sets I list are the ones I activley add to. The only problem is I change my mind alot on what I work on. I think this helps to keep a high interest into collecting. We all have our peeks and valleys in this relm. I an getting ready to register my 64 set as I need 1 more card for my 65. I thought I had it last night as I bid 350 on a Morgan rookie PSA 8 and got beat. I think that might be an all time high on that card.
Dave
<< <i>I bid 350 on a Morgan rookie PSA 8 and got beat. I think that might be an all time high on that card. >>
Stay patient Stump....no reason to go crazy on that card...it will come up for auction again in no time.
Don't underestimate a collector's understanding of money and the idea of protecting an investment.
Everyone is always saying "I have this set high grade but didn't get it graded yet". Maybe you have the set, but I bet if it was truly high grade (8+), at least low pop commons and stars would have been graded a long time ago to protect the investment! Many ungraded sets probably have a few 8s, maybe some 9s, but lots of 6s and 7s also. I look at it this way... if you haven't sent in your "high grade" 1954 topps raw set for grading it is because you are afraid that the cards are not really "high Grade" and you will get lots of PSA 6s and 7s and be disappointed.
Sure, collectors are still out there with raw sets from the 1950s- probably lots of them. But are they PSA 8 or better- No way. The only chance at this is finding old grandma's son's cards left in the basement for 50 years.
I believe that a slow creep in the population of 8s and higher pre 1960 are due to resubmits of high grade centered 7s that met the grader of death the first time around.
<< <i>Are you kidding... I'm sick of people talking a big game! >>
Down big dog. WOW. Almost nothing pre-1960? Really? I don't know? I think there are lots of cards in the hands of non-collectors. You give the average person too much credit in my opinion. There are sooo many old timers out there that absolutely hate the idea of grading. Most of us know people like this. I've seen beautiful cards that may never be graded until these folks pass them down to their greedy siblings. If I know a couple people like this there's bound to be a lot more.
I would never say there's an abundance of high-grade material out there but I believe there's a fair amount. Now if we're talking pre-WW II it's probably much harder.
1954
Just a hunch...
it appears the percentage of un-registered sets is related to the overall age of the set (older set = old school collector)
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MS
<< <i>at least low pop commons and stars would have been graded a long time ago to protect the investment! >>
Just noticed this comment while re-reading the thread. I know a dealer that lives in a small town (less than 20,000) who sets up at flea markets -- although he has attended nationals. He mostly sells VG/EX 1950s & 1960s cards. And also, due to living in the country, gets first shot at any collection sold with 100 miles. He has collected since the early 1970s. In 1977 he bought a 1953 Topps set for $125 (or something amazing like that) through mail order. He thumbed through the cards once, and put them away. A trading friend of his wanted the Berra out of the set, but only if it graded. So he takes the Berra to Nationals in 2000 and it grades PSA 8 NQ. He gets a raw Berra and cash in return. The rest of the set is that nice. Even if only 20% of the set grades 8 NQ, he is sitting on a gold mine. He has no intentions of breaking, grading or selling the set. He knows what grading is and will do to the value of a card (re: he is educated). He is also in his late 60s and doesn't care. I am only hoping when he does do something with the 53 set, he calls me
CU turns its lonely eyes to you
What's the you say, Mrs Robinson
Vargha bucks have left and gone away?
hey hey hey
hey hey hey
and waiting....
and waiting....
and waiting.....
yawn!!!!
oooh... someone got 4 PSA 8 commons, wow even two PSA 9s, and then BAM.... 400 other psa 6-7s on the invoice.
Nick
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I think that in another 10-15 years,you might be able to say that the supply of non-graded sets is closer to drying up but I agree with most that there is still a significant amount of raw out there now.I would say that there are at least as many ungraded sets and probably quite a few more than graded sets.I am sure that there will be a few more "finds" in the next few years.I am just trying to figure out how to be the guy that makes one of "those finds"
Vic
<< <i>If anybody has a proven method,Let me know!!! >>
No problem. Spend about $1000 per month, per magazine, to do a full page "I Will Buy Your Collection!" ad in Sports Collectors Digest, Tuff Stuff, and Sports Market Report. Of course, you'll have to compete with the other 20 or so guys doing the same thing. But you just might get that "find" you're looking for once or twice a year.
Scott
As for raw 50's vintage still out there....if you are looking in the dealers inventories, good luck. It is a barren wasteland. The good stuff is in the individual collector's hands. And that does pop up on a regular basis. I was talking to a dealer who recently purchased and entire raw 53 set, grading returned several 9's and probably 50-60 8's . That's a damn good find nowadays.
1953 Topps in PSA 8
1941 Playball in PSA 8.
1952-1955 Red Man cards in 7 and 8
1950 Bowman in PSA 8
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<< <i>I bet one of them is that you don't know about it yet. >>
Nope. I actually don't like the Set Registry. It's a stupid idea and will never catch on. Just like the idea of grading cards in general. Why would anyone pay a premium for a graded card when you can pick up nice raw ones on ebay for a fraction of the cost. Professional grading is a passing fad.
JEB. >>
JEB, for commons - Yes, for star cards - No.
ps. It's not that my cards are not good enough, it's just that I don't have the kind of money to spend $14.95 on a common in a plastic slab for a $2.50 card
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from Mickey's
1969 Topps Baseball 549 Ron Brand (Expos) NM/MT $2.50
1969 Topps Baseball 549 Ron Brand (Expos) PSA 8 $14.95
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or $8-10 to grade a single raw common, regardless of condition. For stars, absolutely yes.
I figure I will get around to them someday. If I list them now, I'm afraid I'd start spending too much to improve/upgrade them!
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
trying to get very far towards completion before they post their collection to PSA.
Guess they want to have historical impact like a 45 that debuts in the top 10
on Billboard's Hot 100. (Those of you under 35 need not ask me what a 45 is
1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
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<< I bet one of them is that you don't know about it yet. >>
Nope. I actually don't like the Set Registry. It's a stupid idea and will never catch on. Just like the idea of grading cards in general. Why would anyone pay a premium for a graded card when you can pick up nice raw ones on ebay for a fraction of the cost. Professional grading is a passing fad.
JEB. >>
JEB, for commons - Yes, for star cards - No.
ps. It's not that my cards are not good enough, it's just that I don't have the kind of money to spend $14.95 on a common in a plastic slab for a $2.50 card
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from Mickey's
1969 Topps Baseball 549 Ron Brand (Expos) NM/MT $2.50
1969 Topps Baseball 549 Ron Brand (Expos) PSA 8 $14.95
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or $8-10 to grade a single raw common, regardless of condition. For stars, absolutely yes.
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The consensus of this thread Link is that it is unlikely that cards sold raw by dealers/collectors who sell graded will actually grade out as advertised. If, using your example, a dealer believes a particular PSA 8 will sell for $14.95, why wouldn't the person grade the $2.50 card? Assuming a $6 grading fee for the card, the dealer will net $6.45 additional ($14.95-$8.50) for the card by grading it. Right now I am focusing on 70s football cards. Although raw mint cards are more plentiful than their 60s counterparts, I would be happy to find raw mint examples and pay the raw price. The simple truth is that, even for 70s cards, it's not that easy to find raw cards that will actually grade PSA 9 NQ. Even if you find a good lot that has, for example, 20% of the cards that are worth submitting, you have to factor in the cost of acquiring all of the cards that turn out to not make the grade.
Are there collectors out there who have held high grade raw sets for a long time? I think the answer is yes. Can you go out from scratch and put a set from the 70s or earlier together raw in PSA 9 quality today? It's very difficult.
But it still comes down to money. Right now, I would rather buy 6 raw commons that look really nice than 1 common in a plastic slab.
<< <i>Nope. I actually don't like the Set Registry. It's a stupid idea and will never catch on. Just like the idea of grading cards in general. Why would anyone pay a premium for a graded card when you can pick up nice raw ones on ebay for a fraction of the cost. Professional grading is a passing fad. >>
You guys do know that my comment was tongue in cheek, right?
Maybe I should have wrote it this way:
<< <i>Nope. I actually don't like the Set Registry. It's a stupid idea and will never catch on. Just like the idea of grading cards in general. Why would anyone pay a premium for a graded card when you can pick up nice raw ones on ebay for a fraction of the cost. Professional grading is a passing fad.
I'll have to be more careful in the future.
JEB.