K-Kards differences in PSA 9 & PSA 10
Fuzz
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Have bought a few K-Kards over the last year or two. It is pretty clear to me what the differences are between cards in PSA 8 and PSA 9. A slight rounding of a corner and usually centering seem to be the areas I notice most. But I have a much more difficult time determining the diffrences between and PSA 9 and a PSA 10. Apparently, if I submit it, it is a 9. Unless of course it is a 70 FB Alworth in which case it is an 8.
If have bought and opened several unopened envelopes. I have pulled the best of the best to the side. My test submissions have all come back PSA 9.
Any thoughts on what I am missing?
Fuzz
If have bought and opened several unopened envelopes. I have pulled the best of the best to the side. My test submissions have all come back PSA 9.
Any thoughts on what I am missing?
Fuzz
Wanted: Bell Brands FB and BB, Chiefs regionals especially those ugly milk cards, Coke caps, Topps and Fleer inserts and test issues from the 60's. 1981 FB Rack pack w/ Jan Stenerud on top.
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I know somebody has an opinion and I know it isn't the surface gloss.
Fuzz
Sorry to hijack a post, but I hope you see this. Sent you an e-mail earlier this month and was wondering if you got it. My e-mail address if you need to reach me. I had heard you were on vacation.
Thanks,
spacktrack
Ok, that said, I guess I should point out that I've only submitted a grand total of 1 card:
Sorry I couldn't be of more help. It would appear that the PSA 10 is pure luck.
JEB.
I just sent in my first Kellogg card to be graded. To be honest, I was stumped as to what to look for. I checked the corners and for centering and cracks. I would like to hear from the experts also on this topic.
You bring up a good point that has been asked before. It is kind of confusing, if you relate regular card grading to 3-D grading.
K cards (except 2-D 1973's) are actually two layers, laminated together, creating a 3-D effect. Regular cards are paper with images printed on them. K cards are the same with a plastic coating on top.
Here are my prioritys for PSA 10 K cards...
#1 It's an eye appeal thing first and foremost. If there is ANYTHING that makes you think that the card isn't a drop dead georgeous beauty within the first 3 seconds..it won't make a PSA 10. Trust your first impressions.
#2 Pure white card stock. Even the faintest "tint or tone" will knock you out of the PSA 10 world.
#3 Perfect centering. And I mean PERFECT. A tick off...say goodbye to a 10.
#4 Chads. The little card stock that is left over after seperating the cards. Chads can extend out, away from the boarder. They can't be torn away from the boarder, leaving card loss. Even slightly.
#5 Surface scratches. Hold the K card up to the light and peer across the surface. Any visible scratches, and your chance of a 10 will diminish.
#6 Graders. I think PSA graders perform an amazing task, however, they are human, and make mistakes based on their subjectivity of what their eyes see. Best to do ALL this homework before laying out the cash on guesswork.
A wise man once said....
The hardest thing about grading your own cards, is...., grading YOUR OWN cards....
The conversation about "taking the K cards right out of the unopened evvelopes" needs a little discussion. Those little "envelopes" are no different than a wax, cello, of rack pack. K cards are not selectively picked just for cereal box packages. It's a production line, just like Topps, Fleer, etc. You will get a better chance for less surface scratches, if they come out of an envelope, but no gaurentee.
Hope that helps...
Good luck on your K card challange!!!
Larry
email....emards4457@msn.com
CHEERS!!
Apprently you have identified my greatest mistake. I should send all my cards to you for submission. Conrats on the Stargell a really pretty card. Ugly uniform but pretty card.
King,
Thanks for the summary. That is the best detail I have seen on the topic. Looking at JEB's card, it would appear that the chads on the top are missing not extra but I will still use your guideline. I do find the envelope cards to have very little if any scratching which was one of the reasons I started buying them.
I will keep submitting and hoping. Though the thought of a "9" isn't really all that bad either.
The 70 K FB competition is fierce to say the least. I believe that almost all of the 10's are accounted for in the registered sets. I think that to build forward, you will have to get your own 10's which was the reason for asking. I have a second 9+ set in the works for that year already but am really interested in the first set. (Yes, I do have an extra 10 in the set but it would be for trade only).
Thanks again Larry for the ideas.
Fuzz
Spacktrack, did not get email. Am still on vacation but will send email soon.
Glad to help...
BTW...If you're thinking about starting a '71 football set (Kellogg's), might have a few left over from a recent PSA invoice....
#4110170 97232
Check it out...
(now where is that Allworth 10...???...ha...)
Best
Larry
email....emards4457@msn.com
CHEERS!!
remember the bleeding episode... it was a K-Kard
How you been sleeping lately?
Mike
Andrew = eBay
invoice #551930......zip - 08080
Thanks
TC
Please email me on some of those '75 K cards...
emards4457@msn.com
Thanks
Larry
email....emards4457@msn.com
CHEERS!!
Forget all those other guys!
There are 9 cards on your submission for which I would offer at least $600 for as a lot. You can e-mail me at swolfe@crosslink.net for the particulars. Thanks!!
thanks,
Andrew
p.s. i have another batch of all of the above cards (razor sharpies) at PSA being graded, so keep that in mind !!
Thanks
Larry
email....emards4457@msn.com
CHEERS!!
How can a Chad be avoided on a K-card? In fact, JEB posted his 10 Stargell that has Chads.
Just wondering because if Chads kill....I'm dead on that submission.
<< <i>The conversation about "taking the K cards right out of the unopened evvelopes" needs a little discussion. Those little "envelopes" are no different than a wax, cello, of rack pack. K cards are not selectively picked just for cereal box packages. It's a production line, just like Topps, Fleer, etc. You will get a better chance for less surface scratches, if they come out of an envelope, but no gaurentee. >>
This certainly held true in my case. All five sets I busted were out of envelopes. Only two cards had surface scratches. About 10 had a bad corner. None were cracked.
In an attempt to clarify what I think the King is saying:
Chads are a way of life on Kellogg's. That little connecting piece of paper that attaches the cards together. It will attach to one of the two cards normal when they are seperated. It can be removed altogether. The reference for a 10 is that the chad needs to still be attached to THIS card being graded. If you look at the Stargell (and thanks for posting that JEB as it comes in really handy in these discussions), both sides and the bottom of the card have the chad still attached as you can see the extra paper clearly visable. On the top border they are missing resulting in the little holes that are noticable. The King is pointing out only, better extra than less, when it comes to chads.
Godd luck on the submit. Should there be any 70 Fb Alworth's in 9 or better .................
Fuzz
<< <i>BoSox,
In an attempt to clarify what I think the King is saying:
Chads are a way of life on Kellogg's. That little connecting piece of paper that attaches the cards together. It will attach to one of the two cards normal when they are seperated. It can be removed altogether. The reference for a 10 is that the chad needs to still be attached to THIS card being graded. If you look at the Stargell (and thanks for posting that JEB as it comes in really handy in these discussions), both sides and the bottom of the card have the chad still attached as you can see the extra paper clearly visable. On the top border they are missing resulting in the little holes that are noticable. The King is pointing out only, better extra than less, when it comes to chads.
Godd luck on the submit. Should there be any 70 Fb Alworth's in 9 or better .................
Fuzz >>
Fuzz,
Awesome. That helps a lot. I thought it was the opposite. Every card I have has chads because I took them out of the envelopes and seperated them myself last week. The 1981's have HUGE chads. The 1982s aren't near as bad (or good, depending on how you look at it). I submitted two complete sets of 1981s and about 160 of the 1982s from three complete sets.
You'll see the sets hit the registry in about 2 months!!!
Thanks for making me feel a little better. Maybe I'll get a 10 or two?
Our deal:
1975 Kellogg’s PSA-9 cards:
Briggs
Jones
Maddox
Allen
Orta
Oliver
Jenkins
Montanez
Lyle
my e-mail is Vit1122007@aol.com.....for anyone that has e-mailed me, I'm having problems/lags on e-mail receipt so please dont think I've ignored you !!
Andrew