Sending proofs in as MS

rlawsha

In general, proof coins are of a much higher grade than coins struck for regular circulation. What is stopping someone from sending in a proof coin to be graded but marking it as a regular strike? Do the graders know when a coin is a proof so they re-mark it PR? Aside from the obvious difference in appearance, there is no way to tell, right? Disregard proof coins that have mint marks only available in proof. Excuse me if this is a silly question, I was just wondering.

tjkillian

Most 20th century proofs are quite apparent that they are proofs. Many 19th century issued proofs can be a bit confusing as soon as the proof run was finished, the mint used the same die to mint business strikes. Many 19th century issues are cheaper as proofs compared with their business strike counterparts. The graders generally know what a proof is and will designate it as such even if you put business strike.

Tom

pontiacinf

hiya RL

I believe the difference between the 2 are so different, its almost impossible...but ive seen pr's marked ms

Lakesammman

What a great idea - think I'll send in a Morgan and have it slabbed as an 1804 dollar!

TJKillian is correct. There are some issues where the services have given up and call them ALL proof, even if obviously MS (1856 FE cents). Have also seen some obvious proofs in MS holders and some 1858 patterns where one side is proof and the other MS. So, it can be confusing.

cladking

Proofs will usually have square rims, flat fields, and appear to be fully struck
because of multiple strikings. If they were easily confused with mint state
coins then there would be substantial numbers of the No-S proofs as people
substituted unc examples for the rare proofs.

Trime

Some series are more difficult. 3CN for an example may be confusing on occassion.

XpipedreamR

I have trouble with Liberty nickels.

Shamika

Allthough you may submit a proof coin as a business strike, the graders will switch the submission back to a proof. It is highly unlikely that a proof would get by without detection.

dorkkarl

there's a scary number of slabed proof 3-cent nickels mixed up as business strikes, but overall, it's usually not that hard to determine 1 from the other. what's frustrating though is that examination of the EDGE of the coin is important to the determination, & slabs obviously deprive you of that ability.

K S

dbldie55

<< <i>I have trouble with Liberty nickels. >>



So does PCGS.