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New PSA 7 '65 Topps #22 C.Smith - Opinions?

scottsusorscottsusor Posts: 1,210
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I hope this works -- my first time trying to post an image. Anyway, this is a scan of a 1965 Topps #22 Charlie Smith PSA 7 that just came back from PSA. I was thinking this was an easy 8. After a 20x scan before grading and after, I can find no defects, including the corners. However, as you can see (hopefully) there is a slight tilt to the picture -- not a miscut -- just a tilt. Is this why this card would get a 7 instead of an 8. Opinions?

Scott

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  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
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  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
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    Hmm, when I type in the URL, I get the picture, but I can't seem to post it here. Not sure.
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • scottsusorscottsusor Posts: 1,210
    I'll post the direct URL:

    http://www.yourdjhouston.com/65csmith22.htm

    Scott
  • GlynparsonGlynparson Posts: 182
    My guess would be top to bottom centering though you cant always tell in a scan the exact centering.heres the cardimage
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  • srs1asrs1a Posts: 398 ✭
    didn't johnny cochrane have something to say about situations like this?image
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  • miami3miami3 Posts: 216
    Scott,

    I own a bunch of these cards in their raw state and all of them have similar centering problems as yours does.

    I would not call it a tilt problem, but a centering problem.

    Bad centering and weak corners are always a problem with this particular card, maybe due to its position on a printing sheet.

    I have submitted two of them to PSA so far- one came back and 8 and one is at PSA now for grading and should also get an 8.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  • carew4mecarew4me Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭✭
    The link cannot end in .htm for an image, must be .jpg

    Loves me some shiny!
  • scottsusorscottsusor Posts: 1,210
    OK, trying it as a .jpg

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    Hey it worked! Thanks! I learned something new today!
  • toppsguntoppsgun Posts: 787 ✭
    My guess is you've got a 9 oc that fell to a 7-nq. My 8 oc looks very similar, centering-wise.

    I haven't blown up the pic to measure the pixels, but my guess is your Smith is about 65/35 to 70/30 t/b just by the looks of it (maybe even 75/25?). Borderline 8, but the eye appeal on this card is poorer than if it was just the opposite: short on top and a wide border on the bottom.

    Everything else about the card (color, focus, registry, s/s centering) looks good. It's a dang nice 7 and with Charlie Smith that's nothing to be ashamed of.
  • theBobstheBobs Posts: 1,136 ✭✭
    Its either a top notch, high end 7 or one of those 8s that other people look at and say "why can't I get those kinda breaks". Looks like the poster child for 1/2 point system.

    I will say that the overall visual appeal of this 7 is much much better than the PSA 8 that I once owned. Of course that card if graded in the last 18 months would likely be a PSA6.

    If your plans are to sell it, given the price difference between grades, you might want to resubmit...
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  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    That card looks similar to the 7 that I had, same t/b centering. I sold it for $50 when I broke up my set, and the buyer sold it for $100 when he upgraded it a month or 2 later...jay
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  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    Bobs-

    Am I reading this correctly-



    << <i> will say that the overall visual appeal of this 7 is much much better than the PSA 8 that I once owned. >>



    we are talking about Charlie Smith...right??

    who ended up getting your card?
  • scottsusorscottsusor Posts: 1,210
    FYI, my plans are definitely to sell it. My own collecting interests are in 1948-53 raw, and I use the search/submit thing to help finance my own collecting efforts. As many of you know, I put these things up on eBay relatively soon after getting them back and that's likely for this card at some point, probably later this week.

    If I did want to get it looked at again by PSA, is there any advantage to simply submitting it for review under the regular grading prices, or is it more advantageous to crack it out and resubmit it raw for the same price?

    Scott
  • theBobstheBobs Posts: 1,136 ✭✭
    Jay -- thats just like you, selling bargains left and right!


    Scott -- if you ebay it, I am pretty sure it will be resubmitted eventually. If I were to resubmit, I would send it back to PSA in raw state.


    John-- Yep, #22 Charlie Smith. I am not sure what might be confusing about my post. I think I owned one when it was POP 2 or 3 (bought it seconds before Jay on BIN). It went to Wayne in trade in May/June of 2002 if memory serves. Often on these boards, Wayne and I have spoken regarding the poor quality of that card. You generally know the history and details of my cards better than I do image, so its interesting you forgot this one. Just found a thread from last year with the exact ownership trail.
    Where have you gone Dave Vargha
    CU turns its lonely eyes to you
    What's the you say, Mrs Robinson
    Vargha bucks have left and gone away?

    hey hey hey
    hey hey hey
  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    TheBobs - is correct! I saw that auction and while I hit the Buy It Now button it was too late, theBobs had run off w/ the deal of the month. The seller from Brooklyn, who I dealt w/ before, didn't even list Charlie Smith by name. He had the auction listed as "4 1965 Topps PSA-8 Mets" and lo & behold Charlie was in there. The Buy It Now was maybe $50 or $60 if my memory serves...jay
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  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    Bobs-

    I stand corrected...ah yes...I do remember that auction. I believe Charlie Smith was not the lowest pop in the set at the time...I believe #46 Bob Lee a POP 1 or something....so it it looks like Charlie Smith has held up the test of time.

    Nice zinger on the history of your cards though...image

    John
  • FuzzFuzz Posts: 903
    Do I think it will 8? No, I don't.
    If it were mine, I'd crack it out and resubmit and least once and maybe twice. After all, if it 8's once, it is an 8 forever. The downside is about $100 max. That would be if you crack it out and resubmit several times and then trying it one last time destroy the card. Practically, the downside is $30 maybe $40. The potential upside is probably $300 to $400 if 8's. It looks close enough to me that it would be worth the try.
    Looks worth a shot at it to me.
    Fuzz
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  • theBobstheBobs Posts: 1,136 ✭✭
    John -- just pulling your leg. Thanks for asking, as I always enjoy reminding Jay that he missed out on the Smith. Perhaps Jay would have kept his set if he had won that auction?

    Scott -- sorry to hijack your thread. If you sell this card on ebay, it will certainly bring more than a normal 7 of this card, as someone would purchase with intent to resubmit. If the grade might fit, you must resubmit...
    Where have you gone Dave Vargha
    CU turns its lonely eyes to you
    What's the you say, Mrs Robinson
    Vargha bucks have left and gone away?

    hey hey hey
    hey hey hey
  • scottsusorscottsusor Posts: 1,210
    Update FYI -- I contacted PSA about their "Review" service and got a prompt and excellent response from Richard Verdugo. As a result, I have decided to re-submit the '65 Smith for review and possible upgrade from 7 to 8. I'll let you know how it turns out. Thank you everybody for your participation, offers, and advice.

    Scott
  • ejguruejguru Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    Scott--Can you summarize what Rich said. Benefits of review as opposed to cracking and resubmitting?

    Thanks!

    E
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    Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
  • toppsguntoppsgun Posts: 787 ✭
    That's an investment with virtually no downside.
  • scottsusorscottsusor Posts: 1,210
    Toppsgun -- That was exactly what I concluded in deciding to send it back in for review.

    EJ -- Richard explained the process very well. The cost is $10 plus return shipping under regular Economy Service. PSA's head grader does the review. The head grader will document every "defect" that keeps the card from being an 8 (in the case of a 7) if that's what he/she finds. If he/she finds that the card really deserves an 8, PSA will crack it out of the 7 holder and reholder it as an 8.

    Scott
  • miami3miami3 Posts: 216
    Has anyone ever done this review service and have it come out in their favor???

    If yes, please provide tell us what the particulars were- i.e- type of card, year, player, grades involved and how it turned out.

    I have never tried this service before but it sounds interesting.
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