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1800 Bust dollar...needs your help....
Crazy4Coins
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Hey everybody,
I got this Bust dollar in a collection I bought a few months back..I have been trying to fiqure out what variety it is and determine its grade.It has unusal wear in two areas, obv. and rev., like someone used to hold in their hand and rub it,maybe like a good luck coin or something,could of been some gunslinger or poker playing cowboy...sounds good anyway..
Any thoughts are welcome....
Who is a good source for books on variety, especially Bust Halfs?
Thanks,
Randy
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I hate it when you see my post before I can edit the spelling.
Always looking for nice type coins
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Your coin looks to be a very choice VF specimen -- I'd say VF35.
General Overview: A Guidebook of U.S Coins by R.S. Yeoman "The Red Book"
Bust Dollars: Bollender, Bowers & Borkhardt, Cardinal Collection at www.EarlyDollars.org (fellow forum member)
Bust Halves: Overton
I'm sure that others on the forum can provide you with additional guidance.
Note: Please see that you've received a reply from "Cardinal" who is one of the top experts in the Bust Dollar field. Youv'e got an R-4 which is a scarce variety!!
Congratulations on owning a scarce, baeutiful and historic coin!!
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Who is a good source for books on variety, especially Bust Halfs?
Al C.Overton,early half dollar die varieties..1794-1836.
Al
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Thank you Cardinal and Stuart.
I am excited about your opinions on my coin.I am very pleased with the level of help that people offer on the forum.I hope one day I can contribute as much helpful info to new collectors as the forum members have done for me.
Would you guys recommend getting this coin graded and certified?
What do you believe the value to be?
Thanks,
Randy
The Whisker Cheek Collection - Top 50 Peace VAM Registry
Landmark Buffalo Collection
If Cardinal calls it a VF, then it's a VF. Greysheet dealer price for a standard "garden variety" type Bust Dollar in VF is Bid $1675 to Ask $1825 -- but since Cardinal says it's a scarcer R-4 variety, yours may be worth more to a variety collector.
Some Bust collectors (maybe most) prefer their coins raw so that they can also look at the 3rd side of the coin -- the edge. I personally prefer to purchase mine certified & slabbed -- nut have not yet submitted a single coin for slabbing at my own cost. I still have 2 raw Draped Bust Dollars "in the raw".
I'd suggest getting it slabbed only if it makes you feel better. There's no NEED to unles you WANT to.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Nice coin. I'd get it slabbed by either ANACS or NGC with the variety attribution service.
In many of the reference material, BB-181 is listed as an R.5 and so will command an even greater premium. However, I'd give significant credence to any data that Cardinal offers on this subject. He will likely know exactly how Bowers, the JRCS and Reiver came up with their population estimates, and he will be able to correlate his own estimate to theirs and judge why there is this difference.
For my money, I never felt that this variety was truly deserving of a really significant premium in the grades below ChVF -- but would kill for a true, original and problem-free ChEF specimen!
EVP
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You will not get any more informed opinions than from Cardinal and EVP. Consider yourself most fortunate
I guess it's ok to include me -- since I really just parrot Cardinal's comments!
EVP
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The weak spots are,imo,from a bad planchet and not damage to the coin.
If you could buy an xf with out a weak spot or an xf with a weak spot,for the same money,which one would you buy?There for not worth xf money.
I will say that it seem like there is a lot of luster on your coin(your in).
Nice coin.
The weak spots are,imo,from a bad planchet and not damage to the coin.
I agree,no way that coin is "rubed down".It's a beauty,and if for sale I would be intrested.
Al
Nice coin and if the variety is an R4-5 a variety collector will pay more for it.
Bust Half & FSB Merc Collector
K S
If the planchet was not the same thickness all the way across,this would result in not enough metal to fill the die.
Help me understand,please.
If I was going to sell it in a sight unseen manner like eBay I would get it certified first.
If the buyer wants it raw they can always crack it out.
Not to discount the theoretical possibility that this is a fake, but I see no actual signs to suggest it's a fake. Of course, I'm not holding the coin.
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
I think I'll keep her for a while,probably have her slabbed...
Randy
The Whisker Cheek Collection - Top 50 Peace VAM Registry
Landmark Buffalo Collection
If the die is not properly hardened the soft areas can be compressed and the die willliterally start to sink or becom concave in those areas from the constant pounding of the dies against the planchets. The early mint had a real problem with this. When the die is heated and then quenched to rapidly cool and harden it the outer layer of the die is hardened but the center of the because of its thickness cools more slowly and remains softer. When the die is put into use the softer mtal in the center of the die starts to compress. When this happens the die face is not as well supported and the die face starts to dish. This puts that portion of the die further away from the other die resulting in lower pressure and insufficient striking.