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matto
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I figure what better to do in my first post than share some grades I just got back from PCGS. All of the coins previously resided in holders, so I will give some feedback on how I feel they did and what I expected.
Before cracked
1911-d $20 MS65 NGC
1923-d $20 MS63 PCGS
1912 $10 MS62 NGC
1917-s Type One MS63 PCGS
NOW
1911-d $20 MS63 PCGS
1923-d $20 DAMAGED
1912 $10 MS63 PCGS
1917-s Type One MS64 PCGS
Bottom line is they did a horrible job. I don't know who is grading the Saints but they were in my opinion just dead wrong. On the 1911-d I am now willing to say that it is the nicest 63 I have ever seen. They 23-d was also shock, obviously. If PCGS told me that they had their receptionist grading the coins I would believe them. The 23-d came out of a second generation holder and is obviously of MS64 quality. What I am sure they called damage is obviously a flaw that occured when struck (grease that was on the die or something to that nature). Although I don't have the coins in possesion yet, I can't wait to see the reason they give. What can I say about the 1912. Well, I just sent it along because I needed an extra coin to do the four free submissions I had. By no means was I looking for a upgrade on this piece. In fact, had a 61 came back I would have not been suprised. And that leaves the 1917. It was in a first generation MS63 and I was looking for a MS65. A 64 was certainly a possibility though and it comes as no real shock. So, when the day is done, three out of four in my belief were poorly graded. I guess NGC will just get the nod next time around.
Before cracked
1911-d $20 MS65 NGC
1923-d $20 MS63 PCGS
1912 $10 MS62 NGC
1917-s Type One MS63 PCGS
NOW
1911-d $20 MS63 PCGS
1923-d $20 DAMAGED
1912 $10 MS63 PCGS
1917-s Type One MS64 PCGS
Bottom line is they did a horrible job. I don't know who is grading the Saints but they were in my opinion just dead wrong. On the 1911-d I am now willing to say that it is the nicest 63 I have ever seen. They 23-d was also shock, obviously. If PCGS told me that they had their receptionist grading the coins I would believe them. The 23-d came out of a second generation holder and is obviously of MS64 quality. What I am sure they called damage is obviously a flaw that occured when struck (grease that was on the die or something to that nature). Although I don't have the coins in possesion yet, I can't wait to see the reason they give. What can I say about the 1912. Well, I just sent it along because I needed an extra coin to do the four free submissions I had. By no means was I looking for a upgrade on this piece. In fact, had a 61 came back I would have not been suprised. And that leaves the 1917. It was in a first generation MS63 and I was looking for a MS65. A 64 was certainly a possibility though and it comes as no real shock. So, when the day is done, three out of four in my belief were poorly graded. I guess NGC will just get the nod next time around.
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Welcome to the forum. Interesting results. Maybe you could put up a pic or two when the coins come home.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Welcome to the forums...I hope that your next submission is better for you!
Later,
Paul B. Gunsallus
Later, Paul.
Sound like you,ve been here for awhile already.
I,m not sure if `the squeeky wheel gets the grease` or not but you might call em up on that St. for a review
and regrade. I might beach at em but then, grading is only opinion and opinions can change by the hour....
Keep submitting till you get your grade. Some do that and it seems to work. Kinda expense though....
Welcome aboard Matto
Dont people just submit the whole slab and get them to crack it and reholder, if it will ` cross`that is.
Hey, at least you got 2 upgrades.
Second, I'm a lousy grader, but learning. I tried the smash-n-grade too, and have found simply, if you don't think you'll like the answer, don't ask the question. Some of these older grades are better left as-is, unless you're willing to face the harsh reality.
If I were intent on keeping the coin, I'd leave well enough alone. On the other hand, if I wanted to sell at market in order to get something I really wanted, I might be willing to take the risk of cracking. As I am a new member, I'd certainly show-and-tell to the board here for their oppinion before ever cracking another. I've been reading alot of what these folks have to say, and they are by far better than I on such matters.
Good luck, and learn wisdom!
Craig
<< <i>I realize in many ways this is a game. That is how Mr. Hall makes his money. Basically if you want the coin/coins graded correctly then several submissions might be what it takes. But rewarding negligence is something I won't do, so NGC get the next opportunity to make a buck or two. >>
You'll probably get the same nasty surprise over there - Grading is a "Bell Curve" they get 15-20% wrong on the low end, 15-20% wrong on the high end and 60-70% right in the middle.
Looks like they couldn't accuratley re-grade their own previously graded coins, as one previously graded was bagged & one previously graded went up a grade - Consistency 0% - Regading the NGC grades , they thought one was overgraded, and one undergraded. Looks like none of the professional graders can agree on anything based on you group. Maybe its just random grading - hard to figure.
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I don't want to even say how humbled I was.
Thanks
Tbig
Regular Submission
in 12/30
shipped 2/4
I have just got grades on a modern submission.
Date Received 12/23/2003
Date Shipped 2/5/2004
and all the grades were one lower than expected.
edited to correct spelling mistake!
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