cameo???

bgchrs2003

not really sure what cameo means. anyone describe it for me???

Russ

It is the contrast between the devices, (raised portion of the design), and the fields, (flat portion of the design). Think of a woman's cameo broach.

This is a cameo:



This is not:



Russ, NCNE

relayer

You can find it listed here...

Cladiator

Its the difference between the clean mirror finish of the fields of a coin and the frosted "white" devices of the coin. the more severe the difference the better. No difference = no cameo, small difference = cameo, big difference = ultra or deep cameo

Cladiator

Dam you guys are quick lol

LucyBop

another Cameo.... A Deep Cameo....

bgchrs2003

o ok thats pretty simple
thanks!

ksteelheader

relayer

After looking at the PCGS definition, there is more to the story.

The cameo effect is measured by the reflectivity of the surface, or field, of the coin.

The measurement is in inches of reflectivity. The distance when the sharpness of the mirror effect blurs, determines if it is a proof, a cameo or deep cameo.

PCGS and NGC use different standards. PCGS would have 3-5 inches for cameo and 6+ for deep cameo while NGC uses 3-4 for cameo and 5+ for deep cameo. (I may be off an inch, but PCGS has a higher standard). So sometimes a NGC Cameo may not make it as a PCGS cameo and a NGC Deep Cameo won't make it as a PCGS deep cameo.

ksteelheader

Lucy, Go to your room!!!!!.............

coinguy1

<< <i>The measurement is in inches of reflectivity. The distance when the sharpness of the mirror effect blurs, determines if it is a proof, a cameo or deep cameo >>

Relayer, your comments might be correct with respect to whether a coin makes "cameo" or "deep/ultra cameo". But, a coin is either made/struck as a Proof or not and that statement would not apply to whether a coin is a Proof.

<< <i>So sometimes a NGC Cameo may not make it as a PCGS cameo and a NGC Deep Cameo won't make it as a PCGS deep cameo. >>

True, but equally true is the fact that sometimes a PCGS cameo or deep cameo wont make it as such at NGC.

relayer

You are correct as usual. I wasn't clear as to what I meant.

I was referring to a grade as "PR68", "PR68CAM" or "PR68DCAM" (which I called Proof, Cameo, Deep Cameo)

So to be clear, Proof coins can have no designation, or they can be CAMEO or DEEP/ULTRA CAEMO.

And you probably know the extact inches that NGC uses for CAM/UCAM vs. PCGS CAM/DCAM? I thought I remembered correctly from what someone told me, but I can't really remember the values. (Or maybe there are none and it's done by eye, but I think the graders hold their fingers out from the coin to gauge the mirrors?)

RGL

And the hybrid Special Mint Set coins of 1965-67 also can be designated as MS (Mint State) Cameo and Deep Cameo ...

My signature coin shows the reverse of my 1967 SMS MS-66 DCAM Jeff (a 68 with a two-point jaw hit.)

coinguy1

Relayer, I figured you knew what you were talking about but it wasn't clear - thanks for the clarification! In answer to your question(s) - I can't speak for current graders but I made my determinations by eye and not with a ruler.