The truth about Dmitri

Davalillo · February 5, 2004 2:19AM

Just cannot let the misstatements of Joe Orlando go unanswered.

First of all Joe, it is a fact that he is crossing some of his high end cards to GAI--you may not like it but its a fact.

Secondly, the vast majority of his raw submissions are going to GAI. You may not like this either but its a fact.

He likes PSA and wants to keep both companies happy.

This isn't a knock on psa--its just he knows and likes Steve, Mike, Sean and Danny and believes they do a quality job.

And Dmitri Young is a great guy--I know everybody would agree with that.

Dav

koby · February 5, 2004 3:27AM

You're a great guy to, Jim.

Did we really need another thread on this same subject though?

Igloo · February 5, 2004 3:30AM

I don't know if what you say is true or not but if it is, my hunch was right - that Dave Bailey guy is full of crap.

GoSoxBoSox · February 5, 2004 3:35AM

<< <i>I don't know if what you say is true or not but if it is, my hunch was right - that Dave Bailey guy is full of crap. >>

Igloo,

Have you read the other threads in full? How can you still say Dave is full of crap. Some of the best known people on these boards vouched for him including PSA President. Is that why your nickname is Igloo (i.e. your heads a block of ice)? Sorry...but that one was to easy to let pass

1954 · February 5, 2004 3:37AM

Jim,
I don't know if you are concerned about your future relationship with Joe, however calling him out on the message board is not exactly going to heal past issues. I know that you have a good relationship with dealers and others here in the hobby, so you probably hear more than all of us put together. I am thankful for you contributions on here, but discussing issues towards Joe on these boards only causes hard feelings.
SL

Davalillo · February 5, 2004 3:38AM

Dave Bailey is a well-known guy in the hobby(although noone here seems to know him). And I have never heard anything bad about him until this thread. And he is not full of crap.

Dav

Igloo · February 5, 2004 3:39AM

Ive known Dave Bailey for 15 years. He's not someone who is believable or worthy of trust. And he's dumb too. Dimitri Young should find a better source to help him with his collection. JMHO.

Davalillo · February 5, 2004 3:47AM

Shane,

You are a friend and maybe some day I will part with some of those batter-ups but noone else knows enough on this topic to challenge these misstatements. I just think that there are collectors who want to know the truth--I could e-mail all the people I know personally but just think the boards should be honest. Again, I do not think that Joe is deliberately misstating things. He probably does not know that Dmitri is crossing over some of his psa 9s or submitting a lot of raw stuff to gai. So, I think Joe appreciates being "enlightened".

Dav

carew4me · February 5, 2004 3:50AM

I dont know Dave, but calling someone "dumb" and basically a liar who can't be trusted is way over the line.

Is there anyone here who would want to associate with this Igloo clown?

Davemri · February 5, 2004 3:51AM

Dav.

I have often enjoyed your comments and valued your opinion. I am however, getting sick of you trying to start this kind of stuff. Your constant bickering and rumor starting is getting old and you need to move on. Go over to the SGC or GAI board and voice your opinion. I honestly dont care to read anymore of your useless posts.

Just my opinion.

dave

Igloo · February 5, 2004 3:55AM

carew4me- If you don't want to believe me you dont have to. I'm a longtime collector who use to see Dave at the Hawkins show in Dearborne Michigan a couple times each year ever since the late 1980s when Dave dropped out of highschool and started selling cards. Those who actually know Dave realize that he's pretty obnoxious sometimes and that hes not a very good source for information. Thats all I'm going to say on the subject. Form your own opinions.

gradedcardbuyer · February 5, 2004 3:59AM

jim crandall is a good guy who is very passionate about his collection wouldnt you be if you had what he has he is just like me and dmitri he hates to see rumors accepted as fact dmitri deals with this all the time ie the media he asked me to come here and clear the air but it as usual has gotten out of hand
people including myself being personally bashed over nothing a guy like jim crandall should not be bashed but celebrated for his effort to keep the facts straight

just my 2 cents
dave bailey

packCollector · February 5, 2004 4:01AM

Igloo, you seem to be on your own and out in the cold with your opinions. Since Dmitre does not collect SGC cards, maybe you are one of the disgruntled trolls from the SGC boards coming back to post on your annonymous name. He can't be too "dumb" since he is getting to buy cards and set up deals for a collector with unlimmited funds. I wish I was "dumb" enough to get that priveledge.

rw2win · February 5, 2004 4:02AM

Are Joe and Dav the same person? I think they are. They get into this big peeing contest every 2 months just to keep us all talking about PSA.

Dav - You always complain/brag about how much money you have tied up in PSA cards and all you do on 99% of your posts is tear the company down. You can't have it both ways. Cross all your cards to another holder, get out, move on, you will be happier.

Davalillo · February 5, 2004 4:08AM

rw2win,

Not bragging--just responding to someone who was trying to characterize my collection different than what it is.

Want PSA to be a better company. As long as price differential exists between psa and others no incentive to cross. Plus, get most of my cards from people that are on the boards.

Dmitri is a smart collector--packcollector is right.

1954 · February 5, 2004 4:30AM

Dav-
I think you are right in bringing up topics that us collectors might need to know. That is the purpose of these boards. I also think that some of those that respond here on these boards are here to just pick fights or to criticize PSA. There are many collectors that respond on this board who have incredible knowledge and collections, they just don't post much because of the guys that are "bullies" and not many would appreciate the info.

snovella · February 5, 2004 5:05AM

I would have no problem vouching for Dave Bailey..I've sold Dmitri Young dozens of PSA cards directly..I also sold several PSA cards to Dmitri through Dmitri's first buyer..About a year ago, Dave contacted me to let me know he was doing the PSA card buying for Dmitri and how transactions needed to be done..He was upfront and everything he said would take place did..I have no problem sending him cards for his and Dmitri's "approval" and the checks have always arrived on schedule..

SUPERPUNK813 · February 5, 2004 5:10AM

<<I think you are right in bringing up topics that us collectors might need to know. That is the purpose of these boards. I also think that some of those that respond here on these boards are here to just pick fights or to criticize PSA>>

I was going to keep silent but now i have to chime in.

First, If Davalillo has facts to post then i want to hear them but if it's something that a dealer or a friend told him and he's supposed to keep there name out of it then to me that's a RUMOR not a FACT and i know im not the only one who's sick of reading RUMORS!

Second, I don't know of anyone that hasen't already been kicked off these boards that criticizes Joe or PSA more than Davallillo. If Jim dislikes PSA so much then why doe's he continue to support them with more massive card submissions?

Im not posting this to bash Jim becouse i don't even know him but im sick of all the rumors and if you can't name names then why post it?

This is just my opinion and i will say nothing else about it.
Paul.

grilloj39 · February 5, 2004 5:18AM

There is not one single negative comment about PSA in Dav's post...He merely stated someone was crossing over part of his collection to another grading company...what's the big deal! Insulting and tearing down others like Dav is not going to protect the value of your collection(s). If you are concerned about your collection, demand better service and grading accuracy, more secure holder, and better answers to WIWAG-type questions. Irregardless of what Joe says, you guys have a lot a clout on this board and can make a difference.

I think Dav is actually throwing you guys some softballs and issues you can take to Mr Orlando.

Davalillo · February 5, 2004 5:19AM

Paul,

You're right. I have a lot more cards to submit--probably to psa. I want to see them be a better company--and I believe half grades and letting go experienced graders is not the way to go.

I post Paul to let people know whats going on. You may classify things I say as rumors but they have to pass a significant threshhold before I will post them. I have to really believe they are true. As I said, most dealers do not want their names used on these boards--for good reason.

Dav

Davalillo · February 5, 2004 5:20AM

Grilloj39,

HALLELUJAH!!! You got it.

GlennGaryGlennRoss · February 5, 2004 6:12AM

Grillo, the implication of the post is that there is something wrong with PSA that is prevalent enough to get Dmitri to switch to GAI. That in itself is negative.

Dave came on the boards and denied that Dmitri is reholdering cards in GAI holders. Another Davalillo rumor bites the dust. The board doesnt need rumor mongers like Davalillo. You just dont get it.

Davalillo · February 5, 2004 6:14AM

He certainly did not...troll.

GlennGaryGlennRoss · February 5, 2004 6:22AM

Before you start name calling. Pull out your Webster's. Look up definition of a troll and it seems you are a lot closer than I.

BugOnTheRug · February 5, 2004 6:54AM

Ever get the feeling on these boards that Joe O. is the basketball ref, and Rasheed Wallace (Dav) is in his face????????

Humm...........think of all the possibilites.........

BOTR

GoSoxBoSox · February 5, 2004 7:01AM

All of this bickering just proves that this really is a kids hobby. Some of us children need detention.

toppsgun · February 5, 2004 8:22AM

Either that or a trip out to the playground to settle it.

Oh, wait, that's the BMW customer service dept. My bad.

RobE · February 5, 2004 8:31AM

<< <i>All of this bickering just proves that this really is a kids hobby. Some of us children need detention. >>

CW · February 5, 2004 8:32AM

Dave Bailey said:

>> he asked me to come here and clear the air but it as usual has
>> gotten out of hand people including myself being personally bashed
>> over nothing

Dave, if Dmitri asked you to come here and "clear the air", how did
he find out about this rumor? Does he read the boards or did PSA
contact him in an effort to keep his business? More importantly, why
would he even CARE if this rumor was going around? These boards, as
you might know, only make up less than 1% of the PSA customer base.

Dave also said, ironically:

>> a guy like jim crandall should not be bashed but celebrated for his
>> effort to keep the facts straight

Dave, I don't know if you know this, but Jim Crandall (aka Davalillo)
is the person that *started* this rumor (at least here on the boards)
in the first place!! You were not exactly celebrating Jim's efforts to
"keep the facts straight" when you made your first post to clear the air
about Dmitri's cards.

In this thread, Jim said:
"Hot story of the day is baseball star Dmitri Young has converted his
high-end vintage sportscard collection to GAI from PSA." Your initial
post's intent was to squash this rumor that Jim introduced, yet in
another post you praise Jim for his efforts to keep the facts straight??
This doesn't make sense.

Personally, I could care less about all this, but after reading the
post from you that I just quoted, Dave, I became suddenly confused!

koby · February 5, 2004 8:46AM

There is no confusion:

We should all celebrate Davalillo and all he has done for this hobby.

RobE · February 5, 2004 8:55AM

CW(I've put the Precision down for the evening

)

On the path of dysfunction we are on here and the horriffic typing skills of Mr.B,give the guy a pass on the point that you are confused on.

I'm going to improvise an assumed explaination to your question:

1) Someone contacted Mr.Bailey to bring the post to his attention

2) He in turn,received a few other phone calls from others to the rumor

3) Being who he is and what the post is about,he contacted Dimitri to brief him on the matter.

4) Mr.B got clearence by Dimitri to come here to explain and foil the rumor as Dimitri probably felt this issue was alarming enough to damage his business relationship with companies mentioned.

5) There has been so much confision as a whole in this matter that some of the posted detail which I too noticed like you did where I would have the same questions you put foruth,but the situation presently appears beyond that questionable area now.

I think Dave figured out and might have resolved a few things between himself & people you've mentioned,so he give his thumbs up to Jim (in his unique typing skill fashion

).Therefore,your questions are worth asking as they are nothing short of practical, but there is a good portion of the record which has been set straight.The parties involved just might have spoken today instead of being not so internet savy in result of creating more misunderstandings.

Just specualtion,so I could be wrong.But hey,I might be as close to an answer as you can get to your question.

(Edited for my own lack of typing skills.

)

GlennGaryGlennRoss · February 5, 2004 8:58AM

You are right Koby. The party has already started at Davs house.

gradedcardbuyer · February 5, 2004 8:59AM

dmitri found out about this stuff because i made him aware of it after i was contacted by several people making me aware of it it doesnt matter who said or thought anything the important thing is that people have been informed of the facts i did neglect to say he has broke out some cards and gave them to gai but not his whole collection which is what i thought was the question here as far as jim he trys his best to be truthful and keep everyone informed of things however not everything that we hear is entirely truthful and doesnt deserve mentioning i dont know how you can fault a guy for trying to keep everyone informed
dave

Gatorbait · February 5, 2004 9:09AM

This is the dumbest crap I have ever read. Sometimes, this board is a joke. "He said incorrect things about my collection" (why on earth would Dmitri care?). "She said that she heard that he said that ... " (at least once a week - 1/2 point grading, someone going to GAI, no experienced graders at PSA). Over on the SGC boards, BWM thinks he's a great asset to the hobby as well. Just collect and enjoy the friggin' cards.

CW · February 5, 2004 9:18AM

Dave--

Thanks for the explanation. Not faulting Jim, just trying to get
things straight.

Rob--

I gotcha (especially #5). Thanks, man!

Now I think you should get back to that Precision bass, and I should
get back to this Wings/Avs game!

toppsgun · February 5, 2004 9:37AM

Latest rumor........Dave = Davalillo.

What does this guy do for a living anyway? Does his boss know he spends this much time trolling the boards?

'course when he finds out, toppsgun will get the blame (credit).

grilloj39 · February 5, 2004 9:38AM

Give it a break...people switch grading companies all the time. Guess what, people have opinions also. That doesn't make them right, but it doesn't mean we have to tear them down either. Just a lively debate with some occasional constructive criticism. There is no implication, but a whole lot of unneeded sensitivity.

Now, I submit to GAI. Go ahead and say something negative, I'll promise you I won't lose any sleep over it nor think any less of you.

Regards,

calleocho · February 5, 2004 9:48AM

grillo ....must you say you collect GAI graded cards every time you post?

you are starting to sound like vayank with SGC.

grilloj39 · February 5, 2004 9:54AM

C....OK you got me there...I promise no more references to my grading company of choice, but it was unintentional. Maybe only on Veteran's Day...LOL.

calleocho · February 5, 2004 10:21AM

grillo,

PSA is the big dog of this industry ..they have the most liquidity of any holder, they have the highest value as well.

some people have the "underdog" mentality...like green party members. you have always stroke me as a collector who would be happiest with ungraded cards.

To say or insinuate(sp) that PSA is not consistant would not speak very highly of GAI since over half of the millions of cards graded by PSA were graded by the owners of GAI.

BigKidAtHeart · February 5, 2004 10:40AM

<< <i>Davalillo

I have often enjoyed your comments and valued your opinion. I am however, getting sick of you trying to start this kind of stuff. Your constant bickering and rumor starting is getting old and you need to move on. Go over to the SGC or GAI board and voice your opinion. I honestly dont care to read anymore of your useless posts.

Just my opinion.

dave >>

I could not agree more!

goodriddance189 · February 5, 2004 10:40AM

figured this picture said it best

Mantlefan · February 5, 2004 11:05AM

Go over to the SGC or GAI board

GAI has a board?? I don't think so. A GAI Registry?? I think not.

Vargha · February 5, 2004 12:56PM

A GAI Registry?? I think not.

Yep, it's part of the Patriot Act. All GAIs have to register with the Feds.

Boopotts · February 5, 2004 1:24PM

Why is it that grillo always seems to have the most well-reasoned posts on any subject that comes up?

grillo for prez in '04! I'm switching my vote from Edwards

Basilone · February 5, 2004 1:24PM

Dave-

Welcome to the boards....

Maybe you could answer a few questions that many of us would find interesting.

How long has Dmitri been collecting graded cards?

Does he ever read any of these message boards?

Whats his favorite card and/or player?

John Basilone

gradedcardbuyer · February 5, 2004 1:38PM

he has been collecting since 2000 his first card was a rose rc in 8 it was payment from a card show promoter who had him in for an appearance and didnt have the money when it was time to pay him
at my urging he has read the boards in the last couple of days
his favorite is his most recent aquisition the reggie jackson rc in 10
hope this helps
dave

purelyPSA · February 5, 2004 2:55PM

Dmitri -

There are a lot of good collectors on here who'd love to hear your story. I'm one of them. I don't expect to see a figure as public as yourself on here, but I'll catch a Tigers game in KC this year just for the opportunity to shoot the breeze on your collection. I'm sure there are some stories to tell.

Steve

theBobs · April 6, 2004 10:59AM

After today's game, looks like the meat hook now has plenty of time to devote to his collection...

jimtb · April 6, 2004 11:12AM

I was watching the game - they're saying he'll be out six weeks. Ankles and legs just aren't supposed to twist like that. Astroturf sucks! But - HOW 'BOUT THEM TIGERS! 2-0.
Jim

jackstraw · April 6, 2004 11:18AM

who's the star pitcher that shrunk ?

The truth about Dmitri

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